[AT] OT, Reverse Camera

Dick Day ddss at telebeep.com
Sun Jan 1 08:38:21 PST 2012 

Thanks Cecil, this should help a lot.

Dick

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From: "Cecil R Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 4:44 AM
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera

> you can try www.alldatadiy.com they have wiring diagrams on most every
> vehicle since 1970.  If you have to purchase a subscription it is not
> that much for the information that is available.
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
>
> On 12/31/2011 10:24 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>> Charlie, both cars have the towing package, so I will start there.
>>
>> This is a different sort of setup. Rather than having a small GPS-like
>> screen that sticks to the windshield with a suction cup, the display is
>> actually embedded in a large mirror that fits snugly over the existing
>> mirror.  When the camera is not activated, the screen is "almost" as
>> reflective as a mirror. When the camera kicks in, it's a 4x7 inch 
>> display.
>> The actual assembly is just over 10 inches wide, just about the same as 
>> the
>> original mirror.
>>
>> It was priced about the same as the 3.5" suction cup display units,< 
>> $80.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I'll re-post and let you know how it works.
>>
>> Thanks again for the advice.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "charlie hill"<charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:37 PM
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion 
>> group"<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>
>>> Dick I realized after I wrote that you mentioned it being a Nav' in the
>>> first post.  I guess the wiring on them is similar to the Expeditions 
>>> but
>>> I
>>> don't know a thing about them other than it should have a towing harness
>>> connector in the back somewhere as someone else mentioned.   I know what
>>> you
>>> mean about getting under a dash.  My spine is still in fairly good shape
>>> but
>>> until they make zoom lens glasses I can't do a thing under the dash and 
>>> if
>>> I
>>> tried I'd have to pull the front seat first.   If you can find a kid 
>>> about
>>> 23 years old that works in a car audio place he can put it in before you
>>> can
>>> spell cat.
>>> The problem is finding one you trust.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dick Day
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:06 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>>
>>> Hey guys, I really appreciate the help!
>>>
>>> This is going in my wife's 2003 Lincoln Navigator.  Once that is done,
>>> I'll
>>> do our 2007 Navigator.
>>>
>>> Again, anything I can do to shorten my time under the dash would be
>>> appreciated.  I enjoy doing this sort of thing but arthritis in the 
>>> spine
>>> has taken its toll :)
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "charlie hill"<charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:02 PM
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>>
>>>> Dick,  what brand, model and year car/truck are you putting it on. 
>>>> That
>>>> might help.  Someone might know the specifics.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alan Nadeau
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:59 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT, Reverse Camera
>>>>
>>>> Dick,
>>>>
>>>> You're overlooking something.  The reverse lights are at the back of 
>>>> the
>>>> car
>>>> but they have to get switched somewhere that is convenient.  At one 
>>>> time
>>>> the
>>>> RL switch was on the transmission.  Now it is probably somewhere on the
>>>> steering column under the dash.  I your new rig, since it is most 
>>>> likely
>>>> all
>>>> electronic(no mechanical shift linkage) it could be anywhere or even a
>>>> sub-circuit off whatever triggers reverse in the transmission.  At any
>>>> rate
>>>> there is a wire in there somewhere that either feeds the RL on the
>>>> vehicle
>>>> or triggers a relay which feeds the RL.  It is also possible that the 
>>>> RL
>>>> are
>>>> switched on the ground side which would require a relay that would 
>>>> switch
>>>> the camera on when it (the relay) was grounded.  Not hard to do either
>>>> way
>>>> but the first step is to visit your dealer and ask to look over a 
>>>> wiring
>>>> schematic.  If you can get your hands on a service manual for a few
>>>> minutes
>>>> you can find out which side of the circuit is getting switched as well 
>>>> as
>>>> both the circuit number (will be imprinted on the wire every few inches
>>>> or
>>>> at the connections at the least), the color code of the wires involved
>>>> and
>>>> a
>>>> "component locator"  which will tell you where to look for things.  It 
>>>> is
>>>> also possible, and very easy to rig one manual switch which will allow
>>>> the
>>>> camera to be triggered manually, automatically, or left off at all 
>>>> times.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a link to a wiring diagram for the switching.
>>>> http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/alan_reverse_lights.html
>>>>
>>>> If the system is switched on the hot side follow the left hand drawing
>>>> with
>>>> the camera wired on the wire(blue) marked "new lights".  The camera
>>>> shouldn't draw much power so that drawing should work.  If the camera
>>>> doesn't have it's own supply connection, and does draw all it's power 
>>>> off
>>>> the trigger lead it might be best to wire it using the right hand 
>>>> drawing
>>>> where the only current added to the RL circuit is the tiny amount used 
>>>> to
>>>> trigger the relay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dick Day"<ddss at telebeep.com>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:06 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's what I may end up doing.   The reverse lights wire will provide
>>>>> the
>>>>> easiest place to find what I need, but they are at the back of the car
>>>>> and
>>>>> the connection that ties to it is from the display which is at the 
>>>>> dash.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a shame cars don't have a punch-down block (used in phone/network
>>>>> wiring).  It appears that everything is done with individual 
>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like I will run another line next to the shielded video cable 
>>>>> from
>>>>> the
>>>>> back of the car to the front.  I'll make sure it's got an in-line fuse
>>>>> that's easy to get to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all of the help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "charlie hill"<charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok I understand now.   How much power does the camera draw?  You may
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> able to simply tap the hot wire to one of the back up lights.   I 
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it was me that's what I'd try.  The worst that can happen is a blown
>>>>>> fuse.
>>>>>> You could tap both back up light circuits, run the wires to a central
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> and tie them together.  That would split the load between the two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. What I actually need is a lead that only becomes energized 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> car is put into reverse.  The reverse fuse circuit is bundled with
>>>>>> several
>>>>>> other circuits, so unless I can find a lead somewhere under the dash
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> handles just the reverse lights, I'm pretty sure I'll end up running 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> extra line. Not a big deal, was just hoping to avoid running a 12v 
>>>>>> wire
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> front to back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "charlie hill"<charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:04 AM
>>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of new vehicles also have fuse boxes in the engine compartment.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> might find an extra accessory socket there if you look around. 
>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> could buy a fuse holder and run a wire directly from the battery
>>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>>> with the fuse inline near the battery.   What ever you do don't mess
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> pink wire unless you want to replace your airbags after they deploy.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> safety sake, disconnect the battery before you do any wiring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Dick Day
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan, thanks. I was hoping that was the case. I'll grab a test light
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>> My back just does not take to that awkward bending like it used to. 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>> they could mount those fuse/breaker boxes someplace that was easier 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> to ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Dan Glass"<dglass at numail.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:06 AM
>>>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Waaayyyy OT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure on this particular vehicle but on most there is a 
>>>>>>>> fuse
>>>>>>>> box
>>>>>>>> under the dash between the steering column and the door.  It should
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> be labeled as the back up lights.  That would be a good place to 
>>>>>>>> tap
>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2011 10:13 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am about to install a rear-view camera in our '03 Nav.   The
>>>>>>>>> display/Monitor at the dash has a lead to connect to the reverse
>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the rear of the car. This is what supplies power to the camera 
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> reverse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is a place at the dash that I could
>>>>>>>>> connect
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> this?  Or do I need to run an extra power cable to the rear?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If this goes well, I'll add one to our '06 as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is such a diverse group of people, I am just curious if 
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> this before.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>>>
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