[AT] Fw: 1922 cleveland[cletrac] tractor - $11000 (altoona)

[charlie hill]

Dean,  your explanation of how PayPal works reminded me of a couple of 
things I saw this week that could come in handy for buying and selling. 
One is a device for I-phones and Androids called "squareup" that is a FREE 
piece of hardware that plugs into the phone and allows you to scan and 
charge to customers credit cards.  As I said the device is free and the 
charge for the service is 2.75% per swipe which is cheaper than a lot of 
other services.  They claim to have next day payout as well. 
https://squareup.com/   The other is a pre-paid credit card by PayPal.  They 
send you the card and you can load it with funds from your PayPal account 
and use it like any other credit card.  It seems to me you could use the 
square up device to get paid, have the funds paid to your PayPal account and 
loaded onto your PayPal card.  The whole deal is done without having to deal 
with banks and their high rates.

What am I missing?

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dean VP
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:57 PM
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: 1922 cleveland[cletrac] tractor - $11000 (altoona)

Mike,

I agree that this is probably a scam but if PayPal is used and one waits for 
the funds to
be transferred to the sellers bank account the risk is quite small.  What 
appears to be
the buyers scam is to use an unverified PayPal account to make appearances 
of a legitimate
payment. However, PayPal will immediately notify the seller that funds have 
not yet
transferred to PayPal from the buyer and that until they receive a valid 
transfer from the
buyer's bank account or credit card account, the seller will not be able to 
transfer the
funds to their account. This will take several days even if legitimate. 
Meanwhile the
buyer has picked up the tractor. Later, PayPal advises the seller that the 
payment from
the buyer isn't valid and no funds are or will ever be available.  That is 
why I suggested
not releasing the tractor until the PayPal funds have been transferred to 
the seller's
bank account. Paypal will know if they have real funds in their account 
before they allow
them to be released to the sellers account.  If the buyer won't go along 
with this then he
will immediately go away.  If the buyer accepts these terms the buyer is 
probably valid
and legitimate.

Dean VP
Apache Junction, AZ
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-----Original Message-----
From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com 
[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Sloane
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:29 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: 1922 cleveland[cletrac] tractor - $11000 (altoona)

As others have suggested, that is a classic scam. "Kathy Smith" is probably 
some guy
operating out of Nigeria - he probably sends a hundred messages a day like 
that, hoping to
trap someone foolish enough (or greedy enough) to fall for his line. If you 
want to test
the story, you can set up a brand new bank account with $10 in it and tell 
him that you
want a bank check. Do all your transaction through that account - the worst 
that can
happen is that you will be out the $10 when he cleans out the account or the 
check for
more than the asking price bounces (which it WILL do).

If you do some Google searching, you can find good articles on this kind of 
scam and how
to deal with it. (The best way is to probably just ignore the whole thing.)

Mike

On 2/16/2012 1:18 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> Hi all. Need some advise. This is a reply to a ad to sell my 22
> Cleveland model f tractor. I think it is a scam. From what i have read
> at pay pal i could not transfer the money to my checking for 45 days.
> After there deposit. Am i wrong THANKS R Fink
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kathy smith"<kat.kat.055 at gmail.com>
> To: "Richard Fink Sr"<rfinksr at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: 1922 cleveland[cletrac] tractor - $11000 (altoona)
>
>
>> Thanks for your response, I am quite okay with your price,I need you
>> to understand that i am willing and ready to purchase it right
>> away,put it off the AD site,consider me as your favorite buyer,and
>> Please note that i have a shipper/mover who handles my shipping
>> arrangement anywhere in the world,she would be coming for the
>> pickup,after you have received payment,which would be through
>> PayPal,If this is acceptable,advice soon as i am a Sailor and i am
>> buying this for my son as a surprise gift,So kindly get back to me
>> with the present condition of it and also some pictures of it,I can
>> only pay through PayPal at the moment as i do not have access to my
>> bank account online,but i have it attached to my PayPal account,and
>> this is why i insisted on using PayPal to pay,all i will need is your
>> pay pal email address to make the payments and some pictures if you
>> do not have a PayPal account yet,its pretty easy to set one up at
>> www.paypal.com,i will be expecting your email.I have a pick up agent
>> that will come for the pick up after payments has been sorted.
>
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