[AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Mon Dec 31 07:32:47 PST 2012 

Cecil,  I agree with you there.  Most of the guys here were doing more soil
prep than just ripping it.  It would be hard to plant if you didn't.  There 
are
some tillage tools designed to run behind rippers to prepare the seed bed
(flatten it out) and some even run planters on the same rig.  I can't tell 
you
the names of the implements as I've only seen them in passing.

We don't have the problem that you would have on our farm because it's 
mostly light land
but certainly on the clay soils you could ruin a farm by ripping or even 
disking it with a big
heavy disc and not following up.   We actually had that happen in one small 
area of our place.
My mom doesn't really understand some things about farming and she always 
wants the
farm to look neat and clean.  There is an area of bottom land near a pond 
that has been in
unused pasture for most of my life.  She was bugging me about mowing it.   I 
was putting her
off because I didn't want it mowed.  I wanted to leave it in broom sage as 
cover for the rabbits
and quail.  Well my well meaning but stupid ex-BIL was visiting when I 
wasn't around.  Mama
was complaining about the "weeds" growing up.  ex-BIL sees the tenant farmer 
in the field
with a 150 hp tractor and a 20+ foot disc and asks the guy to "just plow 
those weeds under"
Well it's now about 25 years later, half of that pasture is grown up in 
scrub pine trees and the rest
is finally flattened out again.  For years I couldn't stay in the seat of my 
2 row tractor to do anything to
it.  Of course it was all my fault for not mowing it.  Right?  I know you 
understand that.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:43 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)

In regards to deep ripping of the soil...   It is great to break up that
plow pan or hard pan as we call it here.  However if you have ever had
to work a field that has been ripped without any more tillage, you would
never just rip it and then run a no till drill over it.  I presently
rent a 1/4 that was ripped or chiseled about 12 yrs ago then the renter
walked away.  The land sat for 8 yrs before I got it.  It had johnson
grass over 6 ft tall.  I cut and baled it.  However, I had to cut the
field at about 8 inch height due to the hills and furrows left by the
ripping/chiseling.  You have to find the way the furrows run to be able
to stay in the cab to cut, rake or bale.   If you rip the ground you
have to go ahead and work it down to a good seedbed.    That is why I
have determined that every 5 yrs no-till should be ripped then plowed
and worked to a proper seedbed.
Cecil in OKla


On 12/31/2012 7:43 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Al,  if I am correct Onslow county is in CAMA but Jones and Duplin are 
> not.
> I think your farm is in Duplin isn't it?
> Pender would be in CAMA also.  It's basically the counties that join the
> "coastal waters" meaning the ocean or the
> sounds.
>
> I've been down through your area when turkey manure was being or had been
> applied to the land.  It's a stinky mess!
>
> I agree about the need to open the land up some times.  There just needs 
> to
> be a way to control erosion.  You know the problem,
> you plow in late winter and watch the top soil blow away in March before 
> the
> crops are planted.  I've never used any of the "new"
> (post 70's) tillage systems but I like the idea of no til and conservation
> tillage.  Ho wever,  I think it is better when it's done with
> big rippers behind big tractors so that the hard pan is shattered and some
> of the soil is lifted up in the wake of the ripper.   Running
> a ripper 12 to 18" deep and planting on top of that slot in the ground 
> makes
> a lot of sense to me.
>
> By the way Al (and anyone else in the area) the annual farm equipment (and
> junk) sale is Jan 12 in Trenton, NC.
> As Al knows, it's worth going just to get a plate of the BBQ Pork or BBQ
> Chicken.   Not much too the sale any more and with the
> price of scrap metal lately they have to be running out of stuff to sell.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Jones
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:53 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>
>
> Charlie,
>
> I don't really keep up with it too much either.  I may be wrong but I 
> don't
> think we're in the CAMA area where I live.
>
> Most all the big farmers here have gone to continuous no-till.  One of the
> farmers around Richlands has started doing vertical tillage, which 
> involves
> a machine that looks like a disk but with coulter blades instead of disk
> blades.  It works the very top few inches of soil, such that you can still
> call it "no till."  As I understand it, it chops up crop residue while
> leaving it on the surface, and will incorporate lime, fertilizer, etc. in
> the top inch or two of the soil so it will percolate on down instead of 
> just
> laying on the surface.  He uses a lot of turkey litter and I have seen 
> them
> running it once the litter has been spread but it doesn't bury it deep
> enough to kill the stink!
>
> I am no soil scientist, but I believe we have some soil types around here
> that do benefit from being torn open every so often.
>
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Dec 30, 2012 9:01 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>
>> John I don't keep up with the rules or programs.  It's near about
>> impossible
>> to get FSA to explain a program to a land owner.  They only want the 
>> active
>> farmers to know about them.
>>
>> Oh yes we have some highly erodible lands.  Generally clay soils on 
>> slopes.
>> As far as the drainage ditches go, we have some but we can't clean them 
>> out
>> any more
>> unless they have an erosion control device in the end of the ditch to
>> prevent any silt or mud
>> or whatever from flowing into a water way.  The state won't even clean 
>> out
>> road ditches now.
>> I don't know if Al Jones is reading this or not.  He might know more 
>> about
>> the issues down east than I do.
>> All I know is that you need to wake up thankful every morning that you
>> don't
>> live in
>> the "coastal area management act" (CAMA) area.
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:28 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>
>> Highly erodible in your neck of the woods? Please, they cut drainage
>> ditches
>> down your way!  :)
>>
>> I can't figure out what is going on around here. We are getting farmers
>> moving into the area grabbing up all the CRP acreage that was pulled out
>> this fall after 20+ years of being in grass. One farm is leased to a guy
>> running a new no-till drill on about half of it. The rest of it he is
>> plowing. I haven't heard of anyone other than tobacco farmers plowing
>> around
>> here for almost 20 years. Makes me wonder if the USDA has an incentive
>> program to no-till like they did about 10 years ago. The only catch was 
>> you
>> had to be tilling the land before you got paid to no-till it.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:56 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>
>> It's rare to see a moldboard plow anywhere around here now days.
>> Everyone is using big tractors with heavy discs, rippers and no til or
>> conservation til rigs.
>> I did see a fine looking 4 bottom Allis Chalmers plow sitting beside the
>> road for sale
>> on Wed.  I sure wish I had a D-19 or a 185 or 190 to pull it.  I'd love 
>> to
>> have it.
>> Problem is I can't remember exactly where I saw it now.  I'd have to
>> backtrack 100 miles to find it.
>>
>> Around here the government kind of rides herd on how you till what they
>> classify as "highly erodible lands" and
>> it turns out that what little bit of hilly land we have around here 
>> usually
>> turns out to be highly erodible so you
>> have to deal with it no-til or put it on terraces or in pasture.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
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