[AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)

Mon Dec 31 07:10:05 PST 2012

Strip till uses a ripper point with coulters and rolling baskets behind it to work the strip.  You get a seedbed in one pass.

Al

-----Original Message-----
>From: Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>Sent: Dec 31, 2012 9:43 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>
>In regards to deep ripping of the soil...   It is great to break up that 
>plow pan or hard pan as we call it here.  However if you have ever had 
>to work a field that has been ripped without any more tillage, you would 
>never just rip it and then run a no till drill over it.  I presently 
>rent a 1/4 that was ripped or chiseled about 12 yrs ago then the renter 
>walked away.  The land sat for 8 yrs before I got it.  It had johnson 
>grass over 6 ft tall.  I cut and baled it.  However, I had to cut the 
>field at about 8 inch height due to the hills and furrows left by the 
>ripping/chiseling.  You have to find the way the furrows run to be able 
>to stay in the cab to cut, rake or bale.   If you rip the ground you 
>have to go ahead and work it down to a good seedbed.    That is why I 
>have determined that every 5 yrs no-till should be ripped then plowed 
>and worked to a proper seedbed.
>Cecil in OKla
>
>
>On 12/31/2012 7:43 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Al,  if I am correct Onslow county is in CAMA but Jones and Duplin are not.
>> I think your farm is in Duplin isn't it?
>> Pender would be in CAMA also.  It's basically the counties that join the
>> "coastal waters" meaning the ocean or the
>> sounds.
>>
>> I've been down through your area when turkey manure was being or had been
>> applied to the land.  It's a stinky mess!
>>
>> I agree about the need to open the land up some times.  There just needs to
>> be a way to control erosion.  You know the problem,
>> you plow in late winter and watch the top soil blow away in March before the
>> crops are planted.  I've never used any of the "new"
>> (post 70's) tillage systems but I like the idea of no til and conservation
>> tillage.  Ho wever,  I think it is better when it's done with
>> big rippers behind big tractors so that the hard pan is shattered and some
>> of the soil is lifted up in the wake of the ripper.   Running
>> a ripper 12 to 18" deep and planting on top of that slot in the ground makes
>> a lot of sense to me.
>>
>> By the way Al (and anyone else in the area) the annual farm equipment (and
>> junk) sale is Jan 12 in Trenton, NC.
>> As Al knows, it's worth going just to get a plate of the BBQ Pork or BBQ
>> Chicken.   Not much too the sale any more and with the
>> price of scrap metal lately they have to be running out of stuff to sell.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Jones
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:53 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>
>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> I don't really keep up with it too much either.  I may be wrong but I don't
>> think we're in the CAMA area where I live.
>>
>> Most all the big farmers here have gone to continuous no-till.  One of the
>> farmers around Richlands has started doing vertical tillage, which involves
>> a machine that looks like a disk but with coulter blades instead of disk
>> blades.  It works the very top few inches of soil, such that you can still
>> call it "no till."  As I understand it, it chops up crop residue while
>> leaving it on the surface, and will incorporate lime, fertilizer, etc. in
>> the top inch or two of the soil so it will percolate on down instead of just
>> laying on the surface.  He uses a lot of turkey litter and I have seen them
>> running it once the litter has been spread but it doesn't bury it deep
>> enough to kill the stink!
>>
>> I am no soil scientist, but I believe we have some soil types around here
>> that do benefit from being torn open every so often.
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: Dec 30, 2012 9:01 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>>
>>> John I don't keep up with the rules or programs.  It's near about
>>> impossible
>>> to get FSA to explain a program to a land owner.  They only want the active
>>> farmers to know about them.
>>>
>>> Oh yes we have some highly erodible lands.  Generally clay soils on slopes.
>>> As far as the drainage ditches go, we have some but we can't clean them out
>>> any more
>>> unless they have an erosion control device in the end of the ditch to
>>> prevent any silt or mud
>>> or whatever from flowing into a water way.  The state won't even clean out
>>> road ditches now.
>>> I don't know if Al Jones is reading this or not.  He might know more about
>>> the issues down east than I do.
>>> All I know is that you need to wake up thankful every morning that you
>>> don't
>>> live in
>>> the "coastal area management act" (CAMA) area.
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:28 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>>
>>> Highly erodible in your neck of the woods? Please, they cut drainage
>>> ditches
>>> down your way!  :)
>>>
>>> I can't figure out what is going on around here. We are getting farmers
>>> moving into the area grabbing up all the CRP acreage that was pulled out
>>> this fall after 20+ years of being in grass. One farm is leased to a guy
>>> running a new no-till drill on about half of it. The rest of it he is
>>> plowing. I haven't heard of anyone other than tobacco farmers plowing
>>> around
>>> here for almost 20 years. Makes me wonder if the USDA has an incentive
>>> program to no-till like they did about 10 years ago. The only catch was you
>>> had to be tilling the land before you got paid to no-till it.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: charlie hill
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:56 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Super Ms, Ralph Video. disc brakes etc.)
>>>
>>> It's rare to see a moldboard plow anywhere around here now days.
>>> Everyone is using big tractors with heavy discs, rippers and no til or
>>> conservation til rigs.
>>> I did see a fine looking 4 bottom Allis Chalmers plow sitting beside the
>>> road for sale
>>> on Wed.  I sure wish I had a D-19 or a 185 or 190 to pull it.  I'd love to
>>> have it.
>>> Problem is I can't remember exactly where I saw it now.  I'd have to
>>> backtrack 100 miles to find it.
>>>
>>> Around here the government kind of rides herd on how you till what they
>>> classify as "highly erodible lands" and
>>> it turns out that what little bit of hilly land we have around here usually
>>> turns out to be highly erodible so you
>>> have to deal with it no-til or put it on terraces or in pasture.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
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