[AT] Shop ceiling

Thu Sep 29 04:28:22 PDT 2011

Mike-
Is it the insu;ation in your place the treated stuff ?  
Mine is, and after i read your response, I went up to the attic again (been 6 months since last time) to check (and also to get the glass panel to swap for the screen panel in my storm door).
I checked the floor, eaves and over/under the catwalk boards that span the joists over 1/3 of the area.
Nothing, nothing at all.   
No tunnels, no surface disturbance, no s**t.  
I even used a broomstick to lift/stir up the particles in some bays, and found no trace of anything at all, except in one spot on the top surface of the insulation right next to an outside wall.
There happens to be a gap in the clapboard there abive the insulation level.
It's not more tha 3/8" wide, and there's a lapped-over board fairly closely above it.  
So I got a small mirror and a Harbor Frieght (free) flashlight and looked up into the space between the two pieces of wood and sure enough, a little batface was looking right into the mirror. 
So I just said hello and thanks for the good work, and departed.
Mike, I don't know why you have those uninvited guests and I don't, but it may be the type of material the former owner used.
-Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
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Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [AT] Shop ceiling

I'm not to sure about the critters not liking the blown in cellulose, we just 
oved into a house that has it, and the attic looked like a mouse playground, 
rails and tunnels everywhere.
Mike M

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ime: 2011-09-28, 06:52:24
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 agree with Mike's blown-in insulation recommendation, and for another reason 
ther than the obvious ones like its ease of installation, R value and filling 
avities well. 
ine has to do with critters' (mice, squirrels, bats, flying squirrels) aversion 
o the blow-in stuff.
hen I built my house in the woods, i used fiberglas batt insulation (itchy) an 
eally built up the attic ceiling.
ithin a year it was a condo for mice, two years later tha squirrels discovered 
t. and within ten years, all of the insualtion over the main area was gone, 
aving been pulled to the eaves for huge nests.
 had all of the FG removed, along with the mummified remains of former 
esidents who didn't like the TomCat diet, and replaced it all with loose-fill 
ellulose (blow-in type).
hat was 5 years ago, and I still don't see any disturbance of the cellulose 
aterial, nor is there any mouse/squirrel poop to be seen anywhere up there.
 have been told that there are two factors that make vermin dislike it, one is 
he fireproofing treatment (boric acid) done to the cellulose, and the other is 
hat it sticks to the critters fur and resists tunneling.
y the way, I built a bathouse/condo for my bats who are enjoying their new digs 
nd are still keeping us mosquito-free.
ruce Thompson

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rom: Mike 1countryguy <mdo_1 at hotmail.com>
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ent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 12:38 am
ubject: Re: [AT] Shop ceiling

teel roofing when nailed or screwed in will be strong on 4 ft centers. Blown 
sulation is the easy way to get a lot of r values. Mine has been on ten years 
d no problem. Why go to the time and expense of the waifer board.
 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:51:03 -0400
From: rlgoss at insightbb.com
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Subject: Re: [AT] Shop ceiling

I think I would want something a little more substantial to support the 
sulation than just the tin that's used for ceilings. When I built my shop, I 
ed OSB for the bottom four feet (laid horizontally.) and TEMPERED peg board 
r the top four feet. That lets me hang shelving and tools anywhere above the 
ur-foot level, and work benches and storage cabinets fill in over the OSB. I 
ed standard gypsum drywall for the ceiling. I rented a drywall lift from Home 
pot, and installed the whole ceiling in less than half a day all by myself. I 
ar you loud and clear on needing to raise and lower whole panels to make sure 
e cut outs are in the right location. That's why I rented one that was made 
r the job at Home Depot. Just put the panel on the carrier, cut it to shape, 
d the cut outs, flip it to horizontal, and turn the big wheel to clamp the 
ole panel to the ceiling.

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Bowen" <don.bowen at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:17:28 PM
Subject: [AT] Shop ceiling

I was talking with my builder friend this evening about the next step in 
my shop. It is a pole building that I put up false walls between the 5 
by 5 poles. The walls are 2X4 on 24" centers with roll insulation 
between then covered with 7/16" OSB. For the ceiling I put 2X6 joists 
between the trusses and was planning on covering with the same OSB. THe 
problem soon became obvious. The building is not square, I have 6 
lighting outlets, 4 switched plugs for task lighting, and 4 hanging 
outlets, all would need holes through the OSB so each sheet may be 
lifted two or three times to a 9' 6" ceiling. I had designed a panel 
lift for my engine hoist.

Then my friend said that many here use tin. He said I could get No 2 
tin and he and I could put it in place in an afternoon. Then I will use 
blown in cellulose insulation. It will make a nice warm shop for these 
mild Ozark winters.

Any comments on this idea?

-- 
Don Bowen KI6DIU
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html

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