[AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

Gene Waugh gwaugh at wowway.com
Mon May 9 04:16:02 PDT 2011


Well then, it had to have been in Wilmington I saw the row upon row of mothballed ships so many years ago (early 50s).  We spent several vacations in the Morehead City area (yes, that was on the Sound, not the ocean proper).

GeneW


  
On May 9, 2011, at 5:51 AM, charlie hill wrote:

> A quick web search turned this up. 
> http://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=any&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/morton_highlights&CISOBOX1=Fleet
> 
> Try searching Mothballed Liberty ships,Wilmington NC,  Liberty ships built 
> in Wilmington NC  and Wilmington NC Reserve Fleet.  You'll find a good bit 
> of information.
> 
> Charlie
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Al Jones
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:37 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
> 
> I would have loved to see them.  It's amazing how much history is/was right 
> under our nose.
> Al
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: May 8, 2011 12:52 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>> 
>> Al, I forgot to say,  I think the things were probably still down there
>> after you were born.  I don't remember exactly when they were cut up but it
>> was since I've been a grown man.  You are about half my age so maybe, maybe
>> not.
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Al Jones
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:31 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>> 
>> Charlie,
>> 
>> That was before my time ;)
>> 
>> Believe it or not, there is a tractor reference there (apart from BB55-to 
>> me
>> it counts because it's such a BIG "machine") my friend who was a former IH
>> dealer salesman in Wallace, NC (He's now about 93) actually worked on the
>> USS Zebulon B. Vance when it was being built in Wilmington, before he
>> started selling tractors.
>> 
>> Al
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: May 8, 2011 10:10 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>> 
>>> No not to my knowledge Gene.   The only ones I ever saw were on Hwy
>>> 17/74/76
>>> (they all run together there) just across the the Cape Fear River from
>>> Wilmington and just past where the USS NC is sitting.   I called it a 
>>> creek
>>> but it's actually a "thoroughfare" that cuts off a curve in the Cape Fear.
>>> It seems to me like there were hundreds of them.  I'm sure their weren't
>>> that many but dozens no doubt.  I've lived here in eastern NC all my life
>>> and if you saw any down this way I'm almost 100% sure that's where it was.
>>> There is no where at Morehead City where you can get a boat that big, that
>>> far inland.
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Gene's Wowway e-mail
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:39 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>> 
>>> Boy, Charlie, that brings back memories -   I remember  row after row of
>>> those things (Liberty Ships) somewhere along the coast.  Were there any
>>> around Morehead City?
>>> 
>>> GeneW
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: charlie hill
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:04 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>> 
>>> Al,  are you old enough to remember the "mouthballed" liberty ships in the
>>> creek just south of Wilmington (just past the USS North Carolina).
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Al Jones
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:11 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>> 
>>> Interesting.  What did the Iowa class battleships use when they were
>>> re-activated in the '80s?  Black oil or JP5?
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bill Bruer <bill_bru at bellsouth.net>
>>>> Sent: May 7, 2011 10:16 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II.  When 
>>>> I
>>>> reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had
>>>> just
>>>> finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene.  Wainwright was 
>>>> laid
>>>> down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966.  Black oil was used in virtually
>>>> all
>>>> the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II 
>>>> onward
>>>> until the early 1970's.  I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were 
>>>> ever
>>>> converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Bruer
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
>>>> WWII?  I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
>>>> which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
>>>> they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."
>>>> 
>>>> Al
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>> From: Ron Cook
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same in Iowa, Ralph.  #5 is pretty thick.  Lots of btu's, though.  I
>>>>> used to work at a petroleum jobber.  The only place locally that I know
>>>>> of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns.  That arrived in
>>>>> tank cars.  In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>>>>> tankwagon to thin the #5.  That was 40 years ago.  If that tractor had
>>>>> #5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ron Cook
>>>>> Salix, IA
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>>>>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>>>>>> accurate.  As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took 
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5.  Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1.  I
>>>>>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>>>>>> refining distillation process from crude.  I keep in mind that when
>>>>>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new 
>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>>>>>> buses not running at the same time.  The fix was found to be to add 
>>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>> percent Kerosene.  I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>>>>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>>>>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Charlie V.
>>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>>>>>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>> 
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