[AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

Sun May 8 19:37:35 PDT 2011

I would have loved to see them.  It's amazing how much history is/was right under our nose.  
Al

-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: May 8, 2011 12:52 PM
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Al, I forgot to say,  I think the things were probably still down there 
>after you were born.  I don't remember exactly when they were cut up but it 
>was since I've been a grown man.  You are about half my age so maybe, maybe 
>not.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Al Jones
>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:31 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Charlie,
>
>That was before my time ;)
>
>Believe it or not, there is a tractor reference there (apart from BB55-to me 
>it counts because it's such a BIG "machine") my friend who was a former IH 
>dealer salesman in Wallace, NC (He's now about 93) actually worked on the 
>USS Zebulon B. Vance when it was being built in Wilmington, before he 
>started selling tractors.
>
>Al
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: May 8, 2011 10:10 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>
>>No not to my knowledge Gene.   The only ones I ever saw were on Hwy 
>>17/74/76
>>(they all run together there) just across the the Cape Fear River from
>>Wilmington and just past where the USS NC is sitting.   I called it a creek
>>but it's actually a "thoroughfare" that cuts off a curve in the Cape Fear.
>>It seems to me like there were hundreds of them.  I'm sure their weren't
>>that many but dozens no doubt.  I've lived here in eastern NC all my life
>>and if you saw any down this way I'm almost 100% sure that's where it was.
>>There is no where at Morehead City where you can get a boat that big, that
>>far inland.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Gene's Wowway e-mail
>>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:39 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>
>>Boy, Charlie, that brings back memories -   I remember  row after row of
>>those things (Liberty Ships) somewhere along the coast.  Were there any
>>around Morehead City?
>>
>>GeneW
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: charlie hill
>>Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 8:04 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>
>>Al,  are you old enough to remember the "mouthballed" liberty ships in the
>>creek just south of Wilmington (just past the USS North Carolina).
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Al Jones
>>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:11 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>
>>Interesting.  What did the Iowa class battleships use when they were
>>re-activated in the '80s?  Black oil or JP5?
>>
>>Al
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Bill Bruer <bill_bru at bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: May 7, 2011 10:16 AM
>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>
>>>Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II.  When I
>>>reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had
>>>just
>>>finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene.  Wainwright was laid
>>>down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966.  Black oil was used in virtually 
>>>all
>>>the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
>>>until the early 1970's.  I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
>>>converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.
>>>
>>>Bill Bruer
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:40 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>
>>>
>>>I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
>>>WWII?  I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
>>>which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
>>>they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."
>>>
>>>Al
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>>
>>>>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>>From: Ron Cook
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>>>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>>>>
>>>>Same in Iowa, Ralph.  #5 is pretty thick.  Lots of btu's, though.  I
>>>>used to work at a petroleum jobber.  The only place locally that I know
>>>>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns.  That arrived in
>>>>tank cars.  In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>>>>tankwagon to thin the #5.  That was 40 years ago.  If that tractor had
>>>>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Cook
>>>>Salix, IA
>>>>
>>>>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>>>>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>>>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>>>>> accurate.  As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>>>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5.  Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1.  I
>>>>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>>>>> refining distillation process from crude.  I keep in mind that when
>>>>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>>>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>>>>> buses not running at the same time.  The fix was found to be to add 15
>>>>>> percent Kerosene.  I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>>>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>>>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie V.
>>>>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>>>>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>>>>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>
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