[AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes

Larry Goss rlgoss at insightbb.com
Sun Mar 6 12:27:01 PST 2011


Chuck -- David---  When you find the formula for convincing the membership of your congregations to give up any of their traditions, please let me know.  We're going to bottle it and become filthy rich!  :-)

When I discussed this with a stalwart member of a regional church committee a couple of weeks ago, I finally said that if he wanted to understand what's at stake, he needs to sit down and ask himself the question, "How bad does it have to be -- What conditions need to exist --  before I, personally, will give up my current church affiliation?"  When you come to grips with that question, then you will understand why infrastructure is such a crisis situation.  He's a member of a church that is currently spending millions (literally) to remodel the structure and install a big pipe organ.  Their current organist is in his mid-70's.  The pool of available younger organists is non-existent. and music schools are closing down their programs by attrition -- qualified people to train the next generation are not available to replace faculty when they retire.

I am reminded of the conditions that were in the electronics industry back in the early 60's.  I became a good friend of the man who was doing the man-power studies for our plant.  We just happened to compare notes on what we knew.  I knew that "engineering" wasn't writing any proposals for new contracts.  He knew that our current contracts were all scheduled to reach fulfillment at about the same time.  So we both pulled up stakes left the region, and went on to greener pastures even though our current job status was good.

Gotta quit.  I've gone on too long already.

Larry






----- Original Message -----
From: David Bruce <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011 5:40
Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>

> Here as well we are facing the need of updating/enlarging church 
> facilities.  The original building is from the late 1800's 
> remodeled in 
> ca 1930 the 1960's and the 1980's so there are numerous 
> compliance 
> issues never mind the desire to expand then facilities and being 
> essentially land locked.
> 
> I am currently serving on a "building study committee" that is 
> investigating possible routes to get through this 
> situation.  In 
> addition since it is a Methodist church all formal plans must 
> also be 
> run up the flagpole.  Electrical is but one of many issues 
> we face.
> 
> Gonna be an interesting road.
> 
> David
> NW NC
> 
> On 3/6/2011 2:23 AM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
> > Ralph and Larry,
> >
> > Code changes over time that render church structures non-code 
> compliant> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant 
> topic.  I have been on
> > the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven 
> years.> It has been an education on building inspectors finding 
> fault with what
> > was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met 
> all the
> > applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality 
> building.  As
> > you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
> > membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area 
> have closed or
> > are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire 
> protection equipment
> > come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
> > church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a 
> school on
> > property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes 
> overhead.  Hope the
> > changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
> > discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  
> Will check it
> > out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
> >
> >
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> Bealke ~ Dallas ~
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