[AT] Talking about shops/sheds

[charlie hill]

I understand Larry.  That's exactly why I prod along by myself and pay the 
price of living with no one but myself to provide "benefits".  I don't do 
"group think" well.

Charlie
-----Original Message----- 
From: Larry Goss
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:25 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds

DON'T GET ME STARTED, Charlie.  I'm not exactly a wholehearted enthusiast of 
the current emphasis on collaboration on group projects when it comes to 
creativity.  I could rant about this topic for hours..

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011 6:39
Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>

> Larry that reminds me of the story about the kid that was
> excitedly telling
> his dad about some new invention.  His dad didn't seem
> appropriately
> impressed and the kid asked him, "don’t you think that is
> amazing?".  The
> old guy looked up and said son did a committee design that
> thing?  The boy,
> still excited, said NO DAD, JUST ONE MAN.  HE FIGURED IT
> OUT ALL BY HIMSELF.
> The old man said, no son, I'm not amazed.  Now if you had
> told me a
> committee built it I would have truly been amazed.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Larry Goss
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:14 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds
>
> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!
> It's the most
> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were
> efficient, just not
> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to
> go through and
> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent
> emergency exit
> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on
> power savings
> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the
> changeover in
> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't
> understand the full
> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure
> of the church
> isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built
> to code.  Even
> though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
> replaced -- all
> the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot paving,
> outdoor
> drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with steel
> casement
> rames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped
> working about a dozen
> years ago because the insulation rotted off the copper wires of
> the 70 volt
> audio output.  It's all in steel electrical conduit, so it
> shorts out very
> easily.  But it's NOT just a job for pulling out the old
> wire and pulling in
> new.  All the original conduit was undersized, and you
> can't pull anything
> out to replace it because the new stuff is larger in diameter
> and won't even
> fit the existing space.  It's a good example for why
> nothing should ever be
> left up to a committee.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Goff <alfg at sasktel.net>
> Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011 20:40
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-
> tractor.com>
> > On 3/5/2011 6:39 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
> > > T-12's are the flourescent bulbs that have been around since
> > Day One -- 1 1/2 inches in diameter (around 36 mm).  They
> > stopped making them in July 2010.  The newer T-8 bulb (1-
> > inch or 25 mm in diameter) uses a lot less electricity (32 watts
> > compared to 40) and actually puts out more light.  I think
> > the bulb is "plug-compatible" but the ballast is designed
> differently.> >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > Well that is news to me. And not good news. Seems not that many
> > years
> > ago that we replaced most of the incandescent light fixtures in
> > the
> > house with flourescents. The four foot ones . They were supposed
> > to be
> > more efficient than incandescents.
> > Latest I hear is that maybe incandescent bulbs are
> > being phased out in
> > favour of compact flourescent bulbs which are supposed to be
> > even more
> > efficient.
> > Only problem is that they contain mercury and disposal of the
> > used
> > compacts is now a problem.
> > Solve one problem and another one seems to replace it.
> >
> > Ralph in Sask.
> >
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