[AT] [Farmall] More engine issues

Fri Jul 15 09:29:57 PDT 2011

Last I heard 80% of all sparkplugs were made by on factory owned by Champion. They will put whatever name you want on the label (for price - I suspect a large order), and change the specs if you want one.
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Ben Wagner <supera1948 at gmail.com> wrote:

I was going to ask why the Champion plugs are different from my old Autolite
or other brands, specifically what makes them hotter.

I've heard complaints that today's spark plugs aren't as good as the old
cleanable kind.

Ben Wagner

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com> wrote:

> WHAT???? Take a look at the plugs sometime. The position of the electrode
> is identical regardless of the heat range. The shape of the internal
> insulator is changed to make the plug cool or retain heat though conduction.
>
> Larry
>
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> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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> >
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:26:31 AM
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>
> I suspect the deal with the plugs is the heat range. A 21 series plug is
> extremely hot, meaning the tip goes pretty deep into the combustion
> chamber.
> If you want to try the Champions find out the correct Champion plug for
> your
> tractor and go a couple of heat ranges hotter. For example if your tractor
> calls for a 12 then try a 14 or 16. I suspect the Farmall calls for a hot
> plug to begin with, maybe a 17 or so.
> There is a reason the engine designers use a particular plug and it is
> possible to do damage with too hot a plug.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Day
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:43 PM
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> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] [Farmall] More engine issues
>
> Just curious, will D21's fit most tractors? I've got a JD 60 and an A-C
> WC.
> Both could use help with starting.
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:31 PM
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> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] [Farmall] More engine issues
>
> The engine issues on my Farmall A have been solved! This evening I salute
> Dan Glass for the tip on Champion spark plugs. I pulled the old Autolite
> plugs, and installed four new D21. The tractor started and ran like it
> used
> to do for nearly half an hour. Thanks Mr. Glass, and everyone else chiming
> in with the same solution.
>
> I also cleaned the carb and blew out the fuel line, so perhaps that helped
> too. I'll keep an eye open for exhaust restriction, but the test tonight
> seemed to conclusively prove that the plugs/carb was the problem.
>
> I'm planning to drive this Farmall in the Bridgewater Lawn Party Steam and
> Gas Parade on Saturday. Anybody else going to the Lawn Party?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Ben Wagner
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Barney Van De Weert
> <bbvande at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > I normally woudn't belive this stuff but I have had the same experince-
> > plugs
> > other that Champion caused performance problems.
> > Barney Van De Weert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________

> > From: Ben Wagner <supera1948 at gmail.com>
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> > Cc: Farmall/IHC mailing list <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 7:12:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Farmall] [AT] More engine issues
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> > plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> > said, it's cheap enough to try.
> >
> > I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> > recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new
> > spark
> > plugs, and see what happens.
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <dglass at numail.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's
> that
> > > did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> > > than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> > > the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> > > gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> > > him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> > > a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> > > didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> > > drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> > > bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> > > trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> > > pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> > > for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but
> its
> > > a cheap enough try to check it out.
> > >
> > > On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it
> > > > up
> > > > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it
> this
> > > > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear
> > > > down
> > a
> > > > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> > > after
> > > > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an
> > > > hour.
> > > > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled
> > > > again
> > > > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It
> > > > has
> > > now
> > > > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive
> > > > it,
> > > the
> > > > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly
> > kills
> > > > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble.
> > But
> > > as
> > > > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is
> > near.
> > > > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the
> > > > choke
> > > is
> > > > all the way in.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> > > unclear
> > > > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Ben Wagner
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