[AT] [Farmall] More engine issues

Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com
Fri Jul 15 07:58:10 PDT 2011


Ben, Like Larry say, its all in the design of the plug. You can probably 
get Autolites that correspond with the same heat ranges. Doug T




Ben Wagner wrote:
> I was going to ask why the Champion plugs are different from my old Autolite
> or other brands, specifically what makes them hotter.
>
> I've heard complaints that today's spark plugs aren't as good as the old
> cleanable kind.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Larry Goss <rlgoss at insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> WHAT????  Take a look at the plugs sometime.  The position of the electrode
>> is identical regardless of the heat range.  The shape of the internal
>> insulator is changed to make the plug cool or retain heat though conduction.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>     
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:26:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] [Farmall]  More engine issues
>>
>> I suspect the deal with the plugs is the heat range.  A 21 series plug is
>> extremely hot, meaning the tip goes pretty deep into the combustion
>> chamber.
>> If you want to try the Champions find out the correct Champion plug for
>> your
>> tractor and go a couple of heat ranges hotter.  For example if your tractor
>> calls for a 12 then try a 14 or 16.   I suspect the Farmall calls for a hot
>> plug to begin with, maybe a 17 or so.
>> There is a reason the engine designers use a particular plug and it is
>> possible to do damage with too hot a plug.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dick Day
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:43 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] [Farmall] More engine issues
>>
>> Just curious, will D21's fit most tractors?  I've got a JD 60 and an A-C
>> WC.
>> Both could use help with starting.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Wagner
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:31 PM
>> To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] [Farmall] More engine issues
>>
>> The engine issues on my Farmall A have been solved!  This evening I salute
>> Dan Glass for the tip on Champion spark plugs.  I pulled the old Autolite
>> plugs, and installed four new D21.  The tractor started and ran like it
>> used
>> to do for nearly half an hour.  Thanks Mr. Glass, and everyone else chiming
>> in with the same solution.
>>
>> I also cleaned the carb and blew out the fuel line, so perhaps that helped
>> too.  I'll keep an eye open for exhaust restriction, but the test tonight
>> seemed to conclusively prove that the plugs/carb was the problem.
>>
>> I'm planning to drive this Farmall in the Bridgewater Lawn Party Steam and
>> Gas Parade on Saturday.  Anybody else going to the Lawn Party?
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Barney Van De Weert
>> <bbvande at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I normally woudn't belive this stuff but I have had the same experince-
>>> plugs
>>> other that Champion caused performance problems.
>>>  Barney Van De Weert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ben Wagner <supera1948 at gmail.com>
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
>>> Cc: Farmall/IHC mailing list <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 7:12:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Farmall] [AT] More engine issues
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone for their input.  I'll certainly try the D21 spark
>>> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now.  Like you
>>> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>>>
>>> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
>>> recently rebuilt the carb.  I may try a good cleaning today, with new
>>> spark
>>> plugs, and see what happens.
>>>
>>> Ben Wagner
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <dglass at numail.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's
>>>>         
>> that
>>     
>>>> did the same thing.  The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
>>>> than Champion D21's.  I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
>>>> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
>>>> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine.  I told
>>>> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy.  I told him I had
>>>> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
>>>> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything.  I put in the new set and
>>>> drove it back to the barn in third gear.  He is a believer now.  I
>>>> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
>>>> trailer.  When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
>>>> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
>>>> for about 12 years.  Of course, its not the answer to everything but
>>>>         
>> its
>>     
>>>> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it
>>>>> up
>>>>> again about a week ago.  It was running great when I was using it
>>>>>           
>> this
>>     
>>>>> winter.  The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear
>>>>> down
>>>>>           
>>> a
>>>       
>>>>> hill.  I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>>>>>           
>>>> after
>>>>         
>>>>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an
>>>>> hour.
>>>>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear.  It stalled
>>>>> again
>>>>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st.  It
>>>>> has
>>>>>           
>>>> now
>>>>         
>>>>> no power.  It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive
>>>>> it,
>>>>>           
>>>> the
>>>>         
>>>>> engine skips and gasps.  Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly
>>>>>           
>>> kills
>>>       
>>>>> it.  I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble.
>>>>>           
>>> But
>>>       
>>>> as
>>>>         
>>>>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is
>>>>>           
>>> near.
>>>       
>>>>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the
>>>>> choke
>>>>>           
>>>> is
>>>>         
>>>>> all the way in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>>>>>           
>>>> unclear
>>>>         
>>>>> as to the circumstances.  Do you have any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Wagner
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