[Farmall] [AT] A Few Questions now Farmall Exhaust Lifts

Craig Warner craig.warner47346 at frontier.com
Sun Jul 10 06:41:18 PDT 2011 

Thanks for all this information


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Farmall] [AT] A Few Questions now Farmall Exhaust Lifts


> First off, if you want to know anything about the exhaust lifts, post on 
> the
> Yesterday's Tractors forum, under Farmall, and wait for Gene Bender to
> answer.  He knows much more than anyone else on how to work on this lifts,
> and if you post about exhaust lifts he is there with an answer.  He has a
> couple working lifts on B's also.  Your best bet is to post there and 
> speak
> with Mr. Bender.
>
> As to the hose: the hose on my lift is probably car heater hose.  I think
> any hose that can take the pressure would work, because there is no 
> constant
> heat flowing through it.   You'll just want something to be able to take 
> the
> pressure and thick enough to resist a puncture.  If you are mounting the
> lift on the cultivators (left side of the grill) the hose routes under the
> gas tank.  When you put pressure on my hose, it tries to straighten out,
> pushing against the point of the lift spring.  Your hose will want to do 
> the
> same thing, so get a hose that can take the point without breaking.
>
> Don't get the hose too long!  I had a hose that was too long, and when I 
> put
> pressure on it, the hose pushed against my fuel strainer, resulting in a
> nasty leak... the only other option is to strap the hose to the front of 
> the
> gas tank, but I didn't have too much success that way.
>
> I used clamps (the same type used on the radiator hoses) to attach the 
> hose
> to the cylinder/control valve.
>
> One piece of advice I'll pass on from Mr. Bender is for you to 
> consistently
> keep the control valve rockshaft oiled.  Otherwise the lift will let the
> pressure out and not allow the pressure to build back up.  It will seem
> tight, and it should be, but work it back and forth before using it and it
> should be fine.  Replace the rubber seal in the control valve, I got mine
> from Joe's Farmall, since it disintegrates over time.
>
> Take the cylinder apart and oil the leather seal very well and reassemble
> it.  This helps it work smoothly.  Put oil in through the hole on the top
> every time you run the tractor; the manual says every day!  If you don't 
> run
> the tractor often, put oil in once a week or so.
>
> Especially make sure the valve on the manifold works freely, otherwise you
> will get no pressure.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Craig Warner 
> <craig.warner47346 at frontier.com
>> wrote:
>
>> I have a 1944 Farmall B with the exhaust lift and cultivators. I've toyed
>> with the idea of hooking up the exhaust lift and I have all of the parts
>> but
>> the hose. Is there any particular type of hose/fitting that should be 
>> used
>> to hook this up? Given the heat etc., I wasn't sure what type of hose to
>> use. Would a hydraulic hose work?
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Farmall] [AT] A Few Questions now Farmall Exhaust Lifts
>>
>>
>> > Some parts will be worth significantly more than others.  I know, 
>> > because
>> > I
>> > tried to find a few parts for my project and came up empty handed.  I
>> > could
>> > find the leather seal (Case Original Parts) and the gaskets, but 
>> > nothing
>> > else except at salvage yards.  Some parts I had to make.
>> >
>> > Ben Wagner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Paul Bazzetta <bazzetta at execpc.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have some old exhaust lift parts in storage. a cylinder or two and
>> some
>> >> pulleys and maybe a box of old valves and pull knobs.  All well used. 
>> >> I
>> >> have no idea what they are worth. If anyone is interested in them, 
>> >> drop
>> >> me a
>> >> line and I'd be willing to go take photos and exchange info.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >> bazzetta at execpc(dot)com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks!  The manual is for exactly the same model I've got.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here's another link to what looks like the same manual from another
>> >> website
>> >> > in PDF:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/1917631/pneumatic-lift-all-pdf-may-18-2010-4-33-am-605k?da=y
>> >> >
>> >> > From: http://farmall.winnfreenet.com/downloads.php
>> >> >
>> >> > Ben Wagner
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:05 PM, E. John Puckett
>> >> > <ejpuckett at centurytel.net>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I do not own anything with an exhaust lift, but here is a link to a
>> >> >> manual for one.  It may not be the same model you have though.
>> >> >> http://home.centurytel.net/ejpuckett/exhaust%20lift/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/6/2011 7:49 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> >> >>> You are probably right; the Stanley may not be original.  I have
>> >> >>> heard
>> >> >>> somewhere along the way that Stanley made IH Mufflers, but I can't
>> >> >>> find
>> >> >>> where.  I've got the book here that claims Hayes or Mackensie made
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> Super
>> >> >>> Series mufflers, but it doesn't mention what the Letter Series 
>> >> >>> used.
>> >> >>> I
>> >> >>> would think the original muffler would be on this tractor, since 
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> tractor
>> >> >>> is original in all parts; I also think the original owner 
>> >> >>> purchased
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> muffler option with the tractor, since he could spend the money 
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> an
>> >> >>> exhaust lift.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Does anyone know how many of those "Lift All" exhaust lifts for 
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> Farmall
>> >> >>> B and A were made?  How many exist in working condition today?
>>  Speak
>> >> up
>> >> >> if
>> >> >>> you have one; I'd enjoy hearing from other owners.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ben Wagner
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Darrell Ratliff<
>> >> dbigdog at columbus.rr.com
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> The Stanley is likely not an original muffler.  It would have had
>> an
>> >> IH
>> >> >>>> embossed on it somewhere.  Seeing no baffles is normal.  Most
>> >> >>>> tractor
>> >> >>>> mufflers don't have them.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> From: Ben Wagner
>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:57 PM
>> >> >>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [AT] A Few Questions: Mufflers
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I took the muffler off to take a look, and I can shine a light in
>> at
>> >> one
>> >> >>>> end.  Looking in from the other end, I see no baffles.  I take it
>> >> >>>> this
>> >> >>>> muffler is the equivalent of straight pipe exhaust!  This old
>> >> >>>> muffler
>> >> >> was
>> >> >>>> made presumably with the tractor, since it is a Stanley.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I look up in the muffler, and I see little fingers about 1/2 inch
>> >> >>>> long
>> >> >> all
>> >> >>>> the way up.  Is this the way the Stanley mufflers were made,
>> without
>> >> >>>> baffles?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Ben Wagner
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Mike Sloane<
>> mikesloane at verizon.net>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I don't know much about Farmall A tractors, but there are 
>> >> >>>>> muffler,
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>> there are mufflers - some of the ones sold today are nothing but
>> >> >>>>> tin
>> >> >>>>> cans with pipes on both ends, while others have proper baffles
>> that
>> >> (if
>> >> >>>>> correctly arranged) do a pretty good job of quieting engine 
>> >> >>>>> sound.
>> >> >>>>> If
>> >> >>>>> you have an OEM muffler that sounds loud, it may be that the
>> >> >>>>> baffles
>> >> >>>>> have simply eroded to nothing over the last 65 years.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> As far as the surging, that suggests attention needs to be paid 
>> >> >>>>> to
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>> governor.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> For the clutch adjustment and other similar issues, I always
>> >> recommend
>> >> >>>>> that you go to Binder Books<www.binderbooks.com>  and obtain a
>> >> service
>> >> >>>>> manual for the tractor.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Mike
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On 7/5/2011 9:52 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> Hi everyone,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I've got a few questions concerning my 1945 Farmall A.  I just
>> >> started
>> >> >>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>> up
>> >> >>>>>> for the first time in four months yesterday after a paint job.
>> >> >>>>>> I'll
>> >> >>>>> number
>> >> >>>>>> the questions so that they are easier to reference.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 1.  The tractor runs fabulously.  It starts right up, even 
>> >> >>>>>> after
>> >> >>>> sitting
>> >> >>>>> for
>> >> >>>>>> four months, and is the most dependable engine I could want in 
>> >> >>>>>> an
>> >> old
>> >> >>>>>> tractor.  My only objection is that the engine surges whenever 
>> >> >>>>>> I
>> >> >> adjust
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> throttle, unless I slowly creep the throttle up or down.  The
>> >> surging
>> >> >>>>> stops
>> >> >>>>>> if I slow the engine down.  My other tractor, the 1948 Super A,
>> >> >>>>>> will
>> >> >>>>>> also
>> >> >>>>>> surge but only when the choke is not adjusted at exactly 1/2
>> >> >>>>>> choke.
>> >> >>>>  The
>> >> >>>>>> 1945 A will not run well unless the choke is completely open.
>> >>  Because
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> engine on the 1945 A runs so well, I hesitate to do any
>> >> >>>>>> adjustments
>> >> on
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> carb.  Does anyone have any advice?  I can live with the 
>> >> >>>>>> surging,
>> >> even
>> >> >>>>>> though it is a little irritating, but I would like to be able 
>> >> >>>>>> to
>> >> >>>> advance
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> throttle without the concern of the surging.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 2.  I used the tractor this winter before a paint job for snow
>> >> >> removal.
>> >> >>>>>  I
>> >> >>>>>> remember thinking that the engine sounded incredibly loud.
>> >>  Yesterday,
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>>> had
>> >> >>>>>> both tractors out, and the 1945 engine sounds much louder than
>> the
>> >> >> 1948
>> >> >>>>>> Super A.  I'm wondering if the muffler is working, since the
>> >> >>>>>> muffler
>> >> >> is
>> >> >>>>>> original "Stanley" vintage.  Is there any way to clean the soot
>> >> >>>>>> out
>> >> of
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> muffler, without taking it to a muffler shop?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On the other hand, if the muffler is fine, which is something I
>> >> >>>>>> may
>> >> >>>> test
>> >> >>>>>> soon with my other tractor, what would make the engine sound 
>> >> >>>>>> like
>> >> >>>>>> a
>> >> >> two
>> >> >>>>>> cylinder?  It has a distinctive "putt-putt" versus the 
>> >> >>>>>> smoothness
>> >> >>>>>> of
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> Super A, although the Super A is not as good an engine.  Like I
>> >> >>>>> mentioned, I
>> >> >>>>>> really don't want to mess with the engine since it runs so 
>> >> >>>>>> well.
>> >>  I'm
>> >> >>>>>> halfway wondering if the modern ethanol gasoline is part of the
>> >> >>>> problem!
>> >> >>>>>> But then again, the muffler could not be working, causing me to
>> >> >>>>>> hear
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> pure engine firing.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> 3.  This question is for anyone who has adjusted, or knows how 
>> >> >>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>> adjust,
>> >> >>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>> Farmall A, B, or C series clutch.  The clutch only begins
>> grabbing
>> >> >> when
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> pedal is about 1/2 to 1 inch from being completely up.  There 
>> >> >>>>>> is
>> >> >>>>>> no
>> >> >>>>>> freeplay.  How can I adjust the clutch to give me a little
>> >> >>>>>> freeplay
>> >> >> and
>> >> >>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>> longer engagement travel?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Ben Wagner
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