[Farmall] shop time

[Jim Becker]

Block 354898Rwhatever is the "Super C" or "C-123" block with the larger 
lower bore.  R1 vs. 2 or 3 is not an important difference.  It was used in 
the later Super A with thick walled sleeves bored to 3.  A 3 1/8 bore was 
used in the same block for the Super C.  Your 1948 tractor would not have 
originally had that block.
Jim Becker jim.becker at verizon.net


-----Original Message----- 
From: Dale
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:39 PM
To: farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: Re: [Farmall] shop time


I have the parts, operators and service manuals for the SA, but will have to 
dig deeper for the info on the C123 engine, if that is what I have.  We'll 
see.  Do you know if there are seperate ones for the C113 and 123 engines?

As for the grill, I am fortunate that the shop I am working in is both a 
mechanic shop and a body shop.  So in addition to having folks that might be 
able to do some of this stuff, I am hoping to get better at doing it myself. 
I really would like to learn how to weld, for example.  I think one of the 
two grills MIGHT be able to be pounded back into shape, but I will need to 
clean it up to see how much past repair has been done, and what can be done 
now.  In any event, it might be fun to visit a couple of these salvage 
yards!

Both the SA's were already converted to 12V.  One, the new Bubba, has an 
ignition KEY installed with a solenoid (I assume) between it and the 
starter, thus there is no starter rod with the rocker-type start button on 
top of the starter.  The other SA has the normal pull-type start switch, 
with the starter rod connected to the switch on top of the starter.  Do you 
have an opinion for which is preferable.  Although I MIGHT want to take the 
SA (and the Cub, Bertha) sometime to a cub/SA-fest I do not pretend that it 
will be a "show quality" restoration.  But I DO want it to be both 
functional AND respectable.

Another question for anyone...is there any way to test a Touch Control 
hydraulic unit that is not on a tractor.  I was given a spare unit when I 
bought the SA, and was told it HAD been working when a tractor was parted 
out, but I would like to test it.  Also, what would that be worth both 
functioning and not functioning.  Would it be worth overhauling?

Since the future Bubba already had a broken engine, and thus I never saw it 
run, I am not sure what components are actually working, e.g. hydraulics, 
PTO, starter, governor, etc.  Should I put the good engine on him before I 
start to reassemble him, or assume it all does work, or assume nothing 
works?

How hard and how expensive is it to fix an engine with what I was told was a 
broken crankshaft?  Actually, the broken engine is not even the original, 
because the casting date is 1951, and the serial number is 1948, so neither 
engine is original.  That part doesn't really matter to me.

Sorry for the long rambling email.  I know some of the questions will just 
work themselves out and seem so obvious afterwards.  Some won't even matter. 
I just wish I had some folks nearby who knew about them and could say "oh, 
yeah, that goes this way" or "it would be better if you did it that way"!  I 
am definitely looking forward to making more contacts.  Thanks all and 
goodnight!

Dale

PS John, sorry, but I am hoping you do NOT get a chance to use your snow 
blower this week in NC!!!








-----Original Message-----
From: john hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 11:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Farmall] shop time


When it comes to casting codes the resident experts are generally Jim Becker
nd Al Jones.
If you don't have a parts book you can get to them online at Case-IH. Maybe
hat can tell you of any problems you might encounter changing engines.  I
an't ever recall swapping engines in anything other than a Cub. I know
e've swapped out some flywheels and I'm thinking the last one of those was
bit different from the one we put back in, but it may have been out of a
umber series.
Rule of thumb when we are ordering internal parts for one of those engines
s to get the number of the piston and the number off an old bearing. I'm
retty certain that if you ever go into the hydraulic reservoir you need to
irst check the part number on it as well so you will getting parts for the
ight one. Same rule for the carb as well, I'm thinking there are 5
ifferent possibilities on that, some may be replacement carbs.
Check with Fitts in Cascade VA for a grill. Also call Greens salvage down
ast (Freemont I think).
How perfect do you want the grill anyway? I spent a couple hours hammering
ut one that was on a working tractor that had been rolled over and it came
ut pretty good. Now if you are building a show machine, that's another
tory!
John
----- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Dale" <flya737 at aol.com>
o: <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
ent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:37 PM
ubject: Re: [Farmall] shop time



John, thought you might have a bit of a lull in your projects and wanted
to invite you (or anyone else!) to visit the Super A project I just
started here in Chapel Hill.  (At least I THINK you are in the area?)  It
is the '48 SA I just bought in Person Co. with the broken crankshaft.  I
also have a second '48 SA (with a working engine) that I had originally
planned to restore, but decided the Person Co one ("Bubba") was actually
in better shape.  I figured I will put the working engine on Bubba, and
part out the other.

I was wondering if you, or anyone else, can confirm which engine I have?
It has no engine serial number, is currently on tractor S/N  250323, has a
block part number 354898R93 with a C123 also on the block, and I can't
read the casting date.

Will there be any problem putting this engine on Bubba (Tractor S/N
258879, Eng S/N 317601, with the broken crank, and Eng block part
#354898R1 with a G)?

I plan to dismantle as far as necessary, sandblast/strip parts, then
repair/replace and repaint everything.  I would LOVE to have your expert
advice, as my previous experience is limited to my recent restoration of
my '55 Cub, which I just finished in September '10, and really enjoyed.  I
am looking forward to learning a new tractor and meeting folks who know
more than I!

I also plan on going down to the cub gathering in FL next month...anyone
else going?  It will be my first!  Hope to meet some good people and learn
some more.

Dale Finch
Chapel Hill, NC
flya737 at aol.com

PS Anyone have a grill in reasonably good condition that they will sell to
me CHEAP?!  Can't afford $500+!

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