[Farmall] 2 Super A's combined into 1 Restored tractor

[DBigdog]

Dale,
    E-mails on the list go to everyone who is signed up for the list.  We 
see all responses.  It is much like the online forums only done through 
e-mail and available only t o those who are members of the list.

Darrell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dale
To: farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Farmall] 2 Super A's combined into 1 Restored tractor



Thanks Jim, Spencer and John.  Actually, I'm not sure I have this forum 
right.  I sent that email, I think, sometime last week and just got 
confirmation that it got to you last night.  Also, it is obvious that you 
are reading each other's responses and I am getting emails from you 
individually.  Where sure I be logged on to get all your responses?

In the meantime, I decided to do exactly what you suggested, have already 
largely disassembled to the core and sandblasted the one I want to redo 
(with the bad engine), and sandblasted, removed and checking over the good 
engine.  I just ordered seals, and will be getting hardware (nuts and bolts) 
this weekend, so will start reassembly next week.  I have found the retainer 
plates for the rear seal are a bit warped from being torqued down too 
tightly on the gasket.  I'm not sure I will be able to use emery paper to 
level it out, and not sure if there is enough metal to have it milled.  Both 
sets from the two rear seal areas are warped...one worse than the other. 
Any suggestions?

I think I WILL go with the original style tie rod ends, even though these 
have been welded.  I may be able to grind down the weld beads so it is not 
quite so obvious.  If they really bother me later, I can always replace them 
with new.

Both grills are in pretty bad shape, so ideally I would like to replace 
that, but can't afford the $600 for a new one, so if you know of a good 
condition, "inexpensive" grill for the C123, please let me know.

I decided to not use the water pump (it was on the bad engine, anyway) and I 
will not use the starter ignition key/solenoid setup (when converted to 12v) 
that WAS on the tractor I am restoring.  I like the little pull start switch 
and rod.  I am leaving the 12v system, though.

I will be replacing the seals on the PTO, and checking the hydraulic screen, 
replacing those gaskets and the manifold gasket and o-rings.  I think it was 
Jim that suggested I also replace a seal? on the hydraulic pump while things 
are apart.  Jim, if that is correct, which seal is that?  I haven't taken 
the pump off, yet, but it is disconnected from the manifold, so it would be 
no problem.

I will be exchanging the left final drive with the parts one, since it had 
been welded at some time.  At the same time, I'll replace those seals and 
gaskets.  I did see that it might take a press to get the axle out, but 
after going to the DSCF last week, I saw it done and do have access to a 
press, so we will see what happens there.  If you here some loud cussing 
coming from Chapel Hill, you will know what it is about!!

OK, enough!  Have a good day, and I will try to figure out how to post and 
read this forum correctly.

Dale Finch






-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker <jim.becker at verizon.net>
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Farmall] 2 Super A's combined into 1 Restored tractor


Dale,
 agree with the other 2 comments you have gotten.  Don't tear the second
ractor apart any more than needed to get parts.  You may want to finish
earing it apart after you finish the first tractor.  But I'd wait on that
ove until the first is done.  Too many extra parts floating around may
onfuse the issue later on.  By the way, the automotive type tie rod ends
idn't get used on the Super A until well after 1948.  So you may have some
ort of frankentractor there.
Jim Becker jim.becker at verizon.net
-----Original Message----- 
rom: Dale Finch
ent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:45 PM
o: farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
ubject: [Farmall] 2 Super A's combined into 1 Restored tractor
Hi all.  I just had my 2 '48 Super A's trailered to the shop where I plan to
egin rebuilding them into one.  Though they are both the same year, there
re some differences, such as one has the older steering rod ends, while the
ther has the "automotive" style ones.  One of the engines has a broken
rankshaft (at least that was the understanding when I bought it for a parts
ractor), but I THINK the rest of the tractor might be the better of the two
o be the surviving tractor.

My big question is, can anyone outline an approach for beginning this
roject?  In other words, how should I start it?  Should I start tearing
own BOTH tractors simultaneously, choosing the better parts from each as I
o along, or should I pick which one I THINK is the better, and start
reaking it down, replacing bad parts as I come across them from the other
ractor?  The second engine works fine, although I will probably at least do
 top overhaul while I have it apart.

I will be degreasing, sandblasting/stripping, repairing/replacing parts,
hen repainting, and figure it will be several months' work, at the rate I
o.

I'm sure some of you have done "2 into 1" projects before, and can at least
ive me some ideas, and help me avoid big pitfalls!  Thanks, and I will
heck in tomorrow.

Dale Finch
Chapel Hill, NC
919-969-6543
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