[Farmall] McCormick-Deering 10-20 Engine Serial Number

Bob Currie tracturs at gmail.com
Mon Aug 1 23:33:39 PDT 2011 

1923 was the first year for the 10-20. If you have further interest, I'd 
recommend trying to confirm that year model. Some of the things to look for 
are the water bath air cleaner body. Eleven vertical louvers on each side 
curtain of the hood, two holes in the bottom of the left side curtain for 
the exhaust pipes, the two filler necks/caps on the main fuel tank, one for 
fuel, one for water, and as John mentioned, the early Splitdorf magneto. 
And.....crawl under the belly and see what the casting date is. You 
mentioned it has the original guages..The 10-20 only had one guage. It was 
the oil pressure guage mounted in the corner of the fuel tank support on the 
right side. Good luck Ben.

bobcurrie,
Greenwood, CA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Farmall] McCormick-Deering 10-20 Engine Serial Number


> My apologies that I couldn't reply back sooner.  I've had a rather 
> eventful
> last couple of days!
>
> The 10-20 was a 1923 model on full steel.  It has sat outside since 2007,
> painted, in front of a museum in WV.  Honestly, I doubt if it runs 
> anymore.
> The owner said that it ran when he parked it; they drained the gas out and
> left it.  However, water has taken over the fuel tank, and children love 
> to
> play with the engine crank.  The combination doesn't sound good!  I could
> turn it over with the crank, but something was grinding loudly around the
> clutch area.  The serial tag is AWOL, and I didn't see the number like 
> Milo
> sent.  The owner quoted 1923 as mentioned by the previous owner.  I told 
> the
> owner that I was surprised someone hadn't stolen parts off of the tractor.
> It has a good complete magneto, original gauges, and from the outside the
> carb looks complete.
>
> I'm still looking for a good 10-20.  I've seen a few behind barns or in 
> the
> farm dumps in my area.  Most of them are only good for parts, if even 
> that.
>
>
> My Granddad mentioned that the 10-20 my Great-Great Grandfather owned had
> rubber tires.  He thought it was just tread bolted to the steel wheel in
> place of lugs.  Would tires like that be original or is that a "shade 
> tree"
> modification?
>
> On a long shot, does anyone have a 1951 Farmall Super C with serial number
> 130188?  My Granddad used that tractor for years on his farm.  It was sold
> back to the dealership in the '70's; I believe it went to West Virginia
> after that.  I'd love to find that tractor and restore it.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Bob Currie <tracturs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The McCormick Deering 10-20 was a very popular tractor and zillions were
>> sold.  There are still plenty of them around and parts are certainly
>> available from many of the advertised sources such as Rice, Tom 
>> Underwood,
>> Weber, and others. I have had great luck networking with others who 
>> collect
>> and tinker with them. Guys in OH, KS, OR, CA, TX, etc. The IHC Club
>> magazine, Harvester Highlights has a section in the back that list folks
>> who
>> specialize in certain models of IH products. More than one of these 
>> fellas
>> has tons of knowledge on the 10-20. Get a copy of HH if you don't already
>> have one. Let us know how it works out today.
>>
>> bobcurrie
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Ben Wagner <supera1948 at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks to everyone who responded!  I'll know where to look now.  One of
>> > these days, even if I can't find my Great-Great Grandfather's tractor,
>> I'll
>> > succumb and purchase a 10-20.  I love the way they look, and operate.
>> > Kerosine, right?
>> >
>> > Bob, if I see one with 3 numbers, I'll be sure to let you know!  501
>> starts
>> > the line in 1923, anything before that is experimental.  I saw a 
>> > Farmall
>> A
>> > with serial number 639 for sale on EBay a few months ago.  I think it
>> ended
>> > up closing at around 4000, but I'm not for sure.  Usually, if the owner
>> > knows what he's got, the early numbers are accompanied with an
>> appropriate
>> > price tag.
>> >
>> > How hard is it to get parts for these old 10-20?  I know Rice Equipment
>> has
>> > parts, and occasionally I see some offered in larger corporation's
>> > magazines.  Probably the best chance is salvage yards?  I was looking 
>> > at
>> > some old company sale books (Stickleys out of Harrisonburg VA) from
>> > 1912-1960, and I saw that quite a few 10-20's were sold.  Most probably
>> hit
>> > the WWII scrap drives.
>> >
>> > Ben Wagner
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Bob Currie <tracturs at gmail.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ben, The manufactuers ID plate is located on the fuel tank support
>> > bracket
>> > > and it faces the driver platform. If that is missing, you can check 
>> > > the
>> > > oval, flat machined area on the engine block, near the front, just
>> above
>> > > the
>> > > water outlet elbow as seen in the picture. Take a small wire brush 
>> > > and
>> > some
>> > > WD 40 along to clean off this area. I find a good flashlight will 
>> > > also
>> > > help.
>> > > The serial number starts with a KC and then followed by 4, 5, or 6
>> > numbers.
>> > > If it only has 3 numbers, call me right away!! :)   The last place 
>> > > you
>> > can
>> > > look is the bottom of the big cast tub that houses the transmission 
>> > > and
>> > > Belt
>> > > Pulley shaft.  Crawl under the tractor, and just about in line with 
>> > > the
>> > > Belt Pulley shaft, across the bottom of the tub, you'll find the
>> casting
>> > > date. You'll probably have to scrub alot of dirt and grease off to 
>> > > see
>> > > it. One or two digits for the month, a dot, one or two digits for the
>> > day,
>> > > another dot, then two digits for the year.  i.e.,  12 . 4. 31 , Todd
>> > > Markle's book has manufacturer's production/build dates so you can
>> match
>> > up
>> > > the casting date you find.
>> > >
>> > > bobcurrie,
>> > > Greenwood, CA
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Ben Wagner <supera1948 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Good morning,
>> > > >
>> > > > I am looking for an old McCormick Deering 10-20 tractor, but I 
>> > > > can't
>> > find
>> > > > where the serial number for the engine resides.  I have heard that
>> the
>> > > main
>> > > > number is on a plaque under the fuel tank, mounted somewhere on the
>> > > frame;
>> > > > however, someone said that the plate commonly disappears.   I'm 
>> > > > sure
>> > > > someone
>> > > > has, or had, a 10-20 at some point on this list!  Where is the 
>> > > > engine
>> > > > serial
>> > > > number stamped?
>> > > >
>> > > > My Great-Great Grandfather made the switch from horses to a
>> > > > McCormick-Deering 10-20.  He used it to plow, but later it found 
>> > > > more
>> > > work
>> > > > grinding feed.  His tractor was sold at a sale in 1952 after he 
>> > > > died.
>> >  I
>> > > > ask
>> > > > the question about the location of the serial number because I am
>> > trying
>> > > to
>> > > > identify my Great-Great Grandfather's tractor.  Most likely, he
>> > purchased
>> > > > it
>> > > > from T.P. Byers in Staunton, VA; unfortunately, the business closed
>> > when
>> > > > Tom
>> > > > Byers died.  I'm searching to discover where the sales books are 
>> > > > from
>> > the
>> > > > business; if the 10-20 was purchased like I think from T.P. Byers,
>> the
>> > > > serial number is recorded in the books.  I am looking at a 10-20
>> > > tomorrow,
>> > > > so I am interested in recording the serial numbers for future
>> > reference.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > Ben Wagner
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