[AT] [Farmall] Fwd: [SEL] OT IH M tractor question for a friend

[drupert at seanet.com]

Mike,

Incidentally, a similar (and maybe the same) problem exists on the W9. 
There the problem starts up at the Crankcase Front Plate/Crankcase Front
Cover.  For some reason that I don't know the hole pattern in this
Plate/Cover that allows for mounting the Magneto Bracket Drive Shaft was
changed in production.  This resulted in two different Magneto Brackets
being called out in the Parts Manual.  When IH offered the aftermarket
live hydraulics kit for the W9's, the pump that would mate up with the
Crankcase Front Plate/Crankcase Front Cover on the later w9's would not do
so on the earlier ones without drilling a new hole and reaming out one or
two of the existing holes (I have this mess on my W9).

Regarding the M/SM question my guess would be that to put a SM live pump
on an M would require at most only having to move the Crankcase Front
Plate/Crankcase Front Cover along with the pump from the SM to the M -

Dudley
Snohomish, WA >



>  From less than happy experience, I have found out that IH used two
> different engine mounted hydraulic pumps on the Super M. They are almost
> identical, but the later pump won't fit on the earlier engine - the
> holes for the mounting bolts are in different places. (I now own a spare
> pump that doesn't fit my Super M.) Maybe Jim Becker can tell you which
> engines work with which pumps. Avoid the transmission mounted
> pump/reservoir - it is (in my opinion) not one of IH's better ideas and
> has limited capacity and pressure.
>
> <http://public.fotki.com/mikesloane/other_machinery/superm_pump.html>
>
> Just because the engine is "seized" from sitting doesn't make it junk.
> Sometimes you can coax the pistons out and just replace the rings. Or,
> you can yank the pistons and liners out and put in a kit.
>
> Mike
>
> On 4/26/2011 12:18 PM, Dave Merchant wrote:
>> Forwarded from the SEL list, forwarded from a car forum......
>>
>> Dave Merchant
>>
>
>>>
>>> I got this from our car forum, a friend is asking...... any M and Super
>>> M
>>> experts here??
>>>
>>> Hey Guys, I hauled a '53 Farmall Super M home last weekend. It has been
>>> sitting unused for about 30 years and the engine, of course, is seized.
>>> I
>>> have found a running engine but it is from a regular M tractor. I've
>>> searched online and I'm fairly certain the engines are the same. The
>>> only
>>> exception is, the Super M has a live hydraulic pump in with the
>>> distributor drive and the regular M does not. A regular M has the
>>> hydrualic pump mounted under the belly of the tractor back on the
>>> transmission. I'm wondering if the live hydraulic pump from the Super M
>>> can be mounted on the distributor drive section of the regular M
>>> engine?
>>> I'm hoping there is a Farmall M expert here that can help me out. The
>>> engine I'm looking to buy is super cheap for a running tractor engine
>>> and
>>> if it will work on my Super M like normal I want to buy it as quickly
>>> as
>>> possible before someone else does. Knowing if the hydraulic pump will
>>> bolt
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