[AT] "After Tractor is running" questions.

Sat Oct 9 05:44:43 PDT 2010

Ben,  check the wiring to the lights.  Make sure none of the wires is 
chaffed and going to ground against the frame.

Charlie

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From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:05 AM
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] "After Tractor is running" questions.

>  On 10/8/2010 9:08 PM, Claude Kyker wrote:
>> Sounds to me like the generator is wired directly to the battery and is
>> keeping it charged but does not show on the amp meter.  The light are 
>> wired
>> through the amp meter and that is the load that the amp meter shows. 
>> Does
>> the amp meter show charging when the lights are off?
>>
>> Claude
>> East TN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ben Wagner
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:58 PM
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>>
>>    On 10/8/2010 5:07 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:
>>> Ben, I can't add to Mike's good comments on the hydraulics and
>>> throttle lever, but I recommend you very carefully inspect all your
>>> wiring to make sure it's hooked p correctly and to look for places
>>> where the insulation could be worn through and allowing the wire to
>>> short to ground or to some other wire.  (Bob Melville's wiring
>>> diagrams may help--can't recall if we've talked about them before.
>>> Check out
>>> http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/farmallbob/Farmall%20Tractor%20
>>> Wiring
>>> %20Diagrams/ if you need them.)
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect the lights to draw enough current to make the
>>> ammeter show full discharge regardless of what the generator is or
>>> isn't doing.  I don't know what kind or how many lights are on your
>>> tractor, but assuming they're about the same as on M series tractors
>>> I'd expect the lights alone to pull maybe 5 or 8 amps.  But full
>>> discharge, as in around 20 amps?  I don't see how that can be coming 
>>> from
>> the lights alone.
>>> I also don't see how the generator couldn't keep up with the lights if
>>> it's able to keep the battery charged.  If the generator is working
>>> that well, I'd expect the ammeter to show zero or very close with the
>>> engine running and lights on--meaning the generator is powering the
>>> lights rather than making the battery do it.
>>>
>>> So, if the generator is keeping the battery up but somehow can't come
>>> close to keeping up with the lighting load, and the lighting load
>>> sounds too high to begin with, I have to think there's something other
>>> than lights pulling that high current.  Must be a short somewhere.
>>>
>>> Dean Vinson
>>> Dayton, Ohio
>>> www.vinsonfarm.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ben Wagner
>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:09 AM
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>>> Subject: [AT] "After Tractor is running" questions.
>>>
>>>     Just so you know, I am not familiar with Farmall Super A's working
>>> like they are supposed to.
>>>
>>> That being said in the open now, I will show you a couple of
>>> observations that I have seen while driving the Super A.  What I need
>>> to know is whether these are normal or abnormal and what is wrong if
>>> they are abnormal.
>>>
>>> 1- When I work the hydraulics, engine full throttle, the tractor acts
>>> like I have overloaded the engine.  It struggles and gasps.  I was
>>> wondering if this was related to the air that was trapped in the lines
>>> (stupid mistake that I did) or maybe something else.  Maybe this is a
>>> normal phenomenon, but I am seriously wondering if, since the engine
>>> struggles moving the hydraulics when the hydraulics are not loaded,
>>> the tractor will be able to lift the snowblade.  Speaking of
>>> snowblades, I have some questions about it too, but I will send them a
>>> little later after I fiddle with the snowblade itself.
>>>
>>> 2- When the lights are one, what should the ammeter say?  My ammeter
>>> shows full discharge.  Does this mean the battery is running the
>>> lights?  The generator does charge the battery, so I know it works.
>>>
>>> 3- I have to hold the throttle lever to keep the engine in full
>>> throttle, otherwise the lever returns to about a high idle.  I
>>> hesitate to ask this, because I am thinking this is a result of the
>>> worn teeth of the quadrant, but I want to make sure something isn't
>> adjusted wrong.
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Ben Wagner
>>>
>>>
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>> Well, there could be a short.  I am just wondering if the lights are 
>> being
>> powered by the genny, but the ammeter is confused because my wiring is
>> simply confused...  and you are right, the lights are the same as on the
>> M's.
>>
>> I may have confused you, though, now that I think about it.  When I said
>> full discharge, I meant that that ammeter looks the same as if I turn on 
>> the
>> lights when the tractor is not running.  So the discharge is not more 
>> than
>> normal... and I am sorry that I confused you.
>>
>> Is there any way that I could have screwed with the wiring enough to 
>> allow
>> the genny to power the lights, but the ammeter to think that the battery 
>> is
>> powering the lights?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
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> Yes, the ammeter shows charging when the switch is on High Charge.
>
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