[AT] "After Tractor is running" questions.

[Claude Kyker]

Sounds to me like the generator is wired directly to the battery and is
keeping it charged but does not show on the amp meter.  The light are wired
through the amp meter and that is the load that the amp meter shows.  Does
the amp meter show charging when the lights are off?

Claude
East TN

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  On 10/8/2010 5:07 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:
> Ben, I can't add to Mike's good comments on the hydraulics and 
> throttle lever, but I recommend you very carefully inspect all your 
> wiring to make sure it's hooked p correctly and to look for places 
> where the insulation could be worn through and allowing the wire to 
> short to ground or to some other wire.  (Bob Melville's wiring 
> diagrams may help--can't recall if we've talked about them before.  
> Check out 
> http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/farmallbob/Farmall%20Tractor%20
> Wiring
> %20Diagrams/ if you need them.)
>
> I wouldn't expect the lights to draw enough current to make the 
> ammeter show full discharge regardless of what the generator is or 
> isn't doing.  I don't know what kind or how many lights are on your 
> tractor, but assuming they're about the same as on M series tractors 
> I'd expect the lights alone to pull maybe 5 or 8 amps.  But full 
> discharge, as in around 20 amps?  I don't see how that can be coming from
the lights alone.
>
> I also don't see how the generator couldn't keep up with the lights if 
> it's able to keep the battery charged.  If the generator is working 
> that well, I'd expect the ammeter to show zero or very close with the 
> engine running and lights on--meaning the generator is powering the 
> lights rather than making the battery do it.
>
> So, if the generator is keeping the battery up but somehow can't come 
> close to keeping up with the lighting load, and the lighting load 
> sounds too high to begin with, I have to think there's something other 
> than lights pulling that high current.  Must be a short somewhere.
>
> Dean Vinson
> Dayton, Ohio
> www.vinsonfarm.net
>
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>
>    Just so you know, I am not familiar with Farmall Super A's working 
> like they are supposed to.
>
> That being said in the open now, I will show you a couple of 
> observations that I have seen while driving the Super A.  What I need 
> to know is whether these are normal or abnormal and what is wrong if 
> they are abnormal.
>
> 1- When I work the hydraulics, engine full throttle, the tractor acts 
> like I have overloaded the engine.  It struggles and gasps.  I was 
> wondering if this was related to the air that was trapped in the lines 
> (stupid mistake that I did) or maybe something else.  Maybe this is a 
> normal phenomenon, but I am seriously wondering if, since the engine 
> struggles moving the hydraulics when the hydraulics are not loaded, 
> the tractor will be able to lift the snowblade.  Speaking of 
> snowblades, I have some questions about it too, but I will send them a 
> little later after I fiddle with the snowblade itself.
>
> 2- When the lights are one, what should the ammeter say?  My ammeter 
> shows full discharge.  Does this mean the battery is running the 
> lights?  The generator does charge the battery, so I know it works.
>
> 3- I have to hold the throttle lever to keep the engine in full 
> throttle, otherwise the lever returns to about a high idle.  I 
> hesitate to ask this, because I am thinking this is a result of the 
> worn teeth of the quadrant, but I want to make sure something isn't
adjusted wrong.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
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Well, there could be a short.  I am just wondering if the lights are being
powered by the genny, but the ammeter is confused because my wiring is
simply confused...  and you are right, the lights are the same as on the
M's.

I may have confused you, though, now that I think about it.  When I said
full discharge, I meant that that ammeter looks the same as if I turn on the
lights when the tractor is not running.  So the discharge is not more than
normal... and I am sorry that I confused you.

Is there any way that I could have screwed with the wiring enough to allow
the genny to power the lights, but the ammeter to think that the battery is
powering the lights?

Ben Wagner
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