[AT] Can you hear me now?

[cecil bearden]

Perhaps I can rephrase that.  Any computer ore electronic controls on 
emergency or military equipment is BULLS*&^.  Even Keys are a pain in times 
of emergency or disaster...   I revert back to my Belarus tractors My 96 is 
the same as my 2000 model, except for about 200lbs of copper wiring to 
handle all of the controls and idiot lights.  It took us 3 days to get an 
alternator to charge and the blower to work without causing the tractor  to 
not start.  A relay is connected to the alternator to determine if the 
engine has started and locout the starter switch.  Blower motor then runs 
off this switch.  Causing tghe blower fvan to run off one of the regulator 
terminals on the alternator.  We had to run a separate wire to the 
alternator from thw switch to energize it.  It works, we gave up on the 
horn...

Cecil in okla
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bruce" <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Can you hear me now?


> In reading my comments after fully waking up I see I wasn't as clear as
> I could have been.
> To make my comments more clear - I think computer controls without a
> reasonable backup system is a recipe for trouble with emergency vehicles.
>
> David
> NW NC
>
> David Bruce wrote:
>> In an emergency vehicle are such really needed?  I get the idea of a
>> black box but with my experience with sensor failure I think this is
>> really problematic .
>>
>> I could make a case for emergency vehicles NOT having the various
>> interlocks or having reasonable non-computer back up systems.
>>
>> David
>> NW NC
>> sharing the soapbox
>>
>> Steve W. wrote:
>>
>>> I have already seen a couple of newer rigs shut down during drills when
>>> a sensor decided something was wrong.
>>>
>>> We picked up a tanker from a local department who just got a new rig
>>> that is all computer controlled. They called the other night asking if
>>> we would like to swap back. The new rig has been in the shop more than
>>> it has been on the fire ground. Seems that they keep having problems
>>> with the computer controls.
>>>
>>> With the new stuff they are adding this year it is only going to get 
>>> worse.
>>> This year they are adding the new emissions rules to the engine, new
>>> spec rules for the pump system, seat belt interlocks (if the seat has
>>> weight in it and the seat belt isn't connected the engine won't start!)
>>> Continuous data recording (just like aircraft black boxes) plus new
>>> impact requirements and striping. Total added cost over an engine from
>>> last year is around $60,000.00.
>>>
>>> Last year a new standard went into effect about our turn out gear. As it
>>> stands now when the gear is 10 years old you are required to throw it
>>> out. Regardless of what the gear has actually been through. We are
>>> getting 20 sets of new gear this year. Total cost $35,478.00. Thankfully
>>> this time we are getting a grant for it.
>>>
>>> Well I'd better shut up and get off the soap box.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
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