[AT] OT Re: HIGH IDLE now runaway cars

[Dave Merchant]

I suspect that it is something at the computer end, as you said,
possibly the position sensor or simply a bad connector..

However, on late model Toyotas, the problem is compounded by
the marketing gimmick that you can't just turn the key off,
you need to get the computer's attention, and tell it to shut
the engine off by holding in a button on the dash for ~3 seconds.

Not so easy in a panic runaway situation, you can travel an awful
long distance in 3 seconds..

Dave Merchant


At 11:14 AM 2/1/2010, charliehill wrote:
>Larry,  IF the problem even exists I doubt it is the accelerator pedal or
>the floor mat.  I'm betting it's a throttle position sensor error.  I'm
>saying that based on the death of a veteran police officer and 3 other
>family members in his car when he couldn't get his Lexus to stop and went
>off into a California revene at 120 mph.  I can imagine some folks going
>into a panic, locking their hands on the wheel and their foot on the brake
>and hoping for the best but I CAN NOT imagine a trained veteran police
>officer that would not think to kick the thing in neutral and turn off the
>ignition.  It just doesn't make sense.
>
>You know a few years back GM had the same problem with some cars. I don't
>know how they resolved it.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Goss" <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [AT] HIGH IDLE
>
>
> > Herb, we love ya' man!
> >
> > I never bothered learning about it until I was doing warrantee work for a
> > dealership.  Things get a little picky when "fulfulment" comes into play,
> > so I had to review my shop techniques to make sure I wasn't doing
> > something that the company didn't have in their "play book".  Having
> > compensation withheld by the manufacturer on warrantee work because of
> > minor procedural errors is NOT a pleasant experience.  Some manufacturers
> > treat the whole process with a "sudden death" attitude so that if there
> > are any errors -- literally, ANY errors -- then the opportunity for
> > repayment to the dealership for the warrantee work is lost.  Making money
> > on warrantee work is nearly impossible under the best of conditions, but
> > the dealership certainly can't withstand loosing money on it.  Hopefully,
> > the shop breaks even.
> >
> > The big news item today of course is the Toyota accelerators.  It will be
> > interesting to see what the final outcome of that happens to be.
> >
> > :Larry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Herbert Metz <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
> > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010 9:23
> > Subject: [AT] HIGH IDLE
> > To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> >> Well, don't know how corn picking and storage evolved into high
> >> idle, but it did.
> >> Ralph and Gene; it is good to know that my thoughts are shared.
> >> When I was typing that email that started this lengthy, but
> >> somewhat informative thread, I knew better than to use that
> >> term, but did not want to take the few moments extra to type
> >> "just a bit faster than idle".
> >>
> >> Page 3 (specifications)  of the 48 page operating
> >> instructions for Allis Chalmers G tractors lists:
> >> RPM (full load)    1800 RPM
> >> RPM (high idle)   2100 RPM
> >>
> >> Conclusion:  So a "high idle" is a bit faster than
> >> "idle"          o-
> >> o-o-or   "full load";
> >> Wait a minute, how can "some idle condition"  be faster
> >> than  "a full throttle full load condition"?
> >>
> >> <grins>
> >> Herb
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