[AT] HIGH IDLE now runaway cars

[charliehill]

Larry,  IF the problem even exists I doubt it is the accelerator pedal or 
the floor mat.  I'm betting it's a throttle position sensor error.  I'm 
saying that based on the death of a veteran police officer and 3 other 
family members in his car when he couldn't get his Lexus to stop and went 
off into a California revene at 120 mph.  I can imagine some folks going 
into a panic, locking their hands on the wheel and their foot on the brake 
and hoping for the best but I CAN NOT imagine a trained veteran police 
officer that would not think to kick the thing in neutral and turn off the 
ignition.  It just doesn't make sense.

You know a few years back GM had the same problem with some cars. I don't 
know how they resolved it.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Goss" <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] HIGH IDLE


> Herb, we love ya' man!
>
> I never bothered learning about it until I was doing warrantee work for a 
> dealership.  Things get a little picky when "fulfulment" comes into play, 
> so I had to review my shop techniques to make sure I wasn't doing 
> something that the company didn't have in their "play book".  Having 
> compensation withheld by the manufacturer on warrantee work because of 
> minor procedural errors is NOT a pleasant experience.  Some manufacturers 
> treat the whole process with a "sudden death" attitude so that if there 
> are any errors -- literally, ANY errors -- then the opportunity for 
> repayment to the dealership for the warrantee work is lost.  Making money 
> on warrantee work is nearly impossible under the best of conditions, but 
> the dealership certainly can't withstand loosing money on it.  Hopefully, 
> the shop breaks even.
>
> The big news item today of course is the Toyota accelerators.  It will be 
> interesting to see what the final outcome of that happens to be.
>
> :Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herbert Metz <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
> Date: Monday, February 1, 2010 9:23
> Subject: [AT] HIGH IDLE
> To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>
>> Well, don't know how corn picking and storage evolved into high
>> idle, but it did.
>> Ralph and Gene; it is good to know that my thoughts are shared.
>> When I was typing that email that started this lengthy, but
>> somewhat informative thread, I knew better than to use that
>> term, but did not want to take the few moments extra to type
>> "just a bit faster than idle".
>>
>> Page 3 (specifications)  of the 48 page operating
>> instructions for Allis Chalmers G tractors lists:
>> RPM (full load)    1800 RPM
>> RPM (high idle)   2100 RPM
>>
>> Conclusion:  So a "high idle" is a bit faster than
>> "idle"          o-
>> o-o-or   "full load";
>> Wait a minute, how can "some idle condition"  be faster
>> than  "a full throttle full load condition"?
>>
>> <grins>
>> Herb
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