[AT] gasoline/New Year

[jahaze at aol.com]

Wow,  Thank you to everyone for giving me something to read this morning.  Nothing like a little gasoline to get things going (and wake up the list).  I could throw out welfare and social security if I really wanted to listen to you guys have a debate, but I really have no interest in doing that.  Anyway, I hope you all have a good new year and can find a thing or two to play with in 2011.

Enjoy, Joe






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From: Jim & Lyn Evans <jevans at evanstoys.com>
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 2:18 am
Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline


Don't ask me.  I am just a lowly engineer who doesn't know anything.    Just
oogle it. One of the first hits is:
ttp://www.progress.org/2003/energy22.htm

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mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
ent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:01 PM
o: Antique tractor email discussion group
ubject: Re: [AT] gasoline
Hi Jim, Now there is an interesting juxtaposition of two unrelated topics if
 ever heard one!
Dave
S, Please point out to me an "oil subsidy." 
On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Jim & Lyn Evans wrote:
> OK. Lets get rid of the oil subsidies also and call off the two wars
 overseas and let's see where the price of gasoline ends up.
 
 
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 [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ron Cook
 Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:40 PM
 To: Antique tractor email discussion group
 Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline
 
 Subsidies exist for the government to override free market.  Subsidies 
 push whatever the government wants to push whatever way it wants to push 
 it.  No subsidies on anything and let the free market work is the way to 
 solve the problems.
 
 Ron Cook
 Salix, IA
 
 On 12/30/2010 6:23 PM, Phil Vorwerk wrote:
> Oh, I agree, subsidies are needed to help develop new technologies that
 have
> a payback that is so far out on the horizon that no sane person or
 business
> would invest in the research.  I like to see a free market given as much
> freedom as possible, but I also know that sometimes intervention is
> necessary.  I also realize that the profitability of ethanol swings
ildly
> with the relative cost of crude oil.  (I'm a businessman, but my
ducation
> is in economics.)  There are a lot of alternative energy sources that
ill
> become viable as the cost of crude oil inevitably rises over the course
f
> time.  But after 30 years isn't it time to take off the training wheels?
 If
> the technology has been developed already that it is now efficient and
> profitable to produce corn based ethanol why is there any subsidy at all?
> 
> I wonder how the grass based ethanol research is progressing.  It sounded
> like it had a great deal of promise a few years ago - from what I heard
t
> was supposed to be more efficient to convert to ethanol than corn, and
ot
> as demanding on our land resources.  In fairness, the current ethanol
> subsidies could be helping push this research along also.
> 
> Phil
> 
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