[AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info

charliehill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sun Mar 1 07:45:31 PST 2009


Good luck with it!

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info


> Just building a guard is not the real issue.  The drive shaft has to
> pass through the axle reinforcement that appears to be from a 165.
> Looks like this tractor has had some really hard use.   I would like to
> just paint it over and take it to an auction, but that is how everyone
> else does it....  I have been burned too many times to do that...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
> charliehill wrote:
>> I couldn't remember for sure but I was kind of thinking there was no 
>> stand
>> alone belt pully drive.  I like the MF tractors but the one beef I have 
>> with
>> them is the sheet metal fits closely around everything and all of the
>> mechanicals are securely covered up.  That is a good thing I guess until 
>> you
>> need to work on them  or modify something.  A friend of mine has a 165 
>> and
>> just removing enough sheet metal to work on something is a pretty big job
>> with lots of screws  to keep up with and lots of little holes to get
>> re-aligned before you get it back together.
>> Seems like you might have to front mount that pump and build a guard for 
>> it.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info
>>
>>
>>> Massey ferguson belt pulley was an attachment that bolted on over the
>>> PTO shaft and the belt pulley was behind the driver.  If I did not need
>>> the PTO for a mower etc. When the loader was attached, then I could use
>>> a PTO hyd pump....  I have got to make this a professional looking
>>> installation also.  I looked at that power steering for tractors
>>> website, but like most websites, it tells nothing.
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>> charliehill wrote:
>>>> Cecil is there a belt pulley drive on the tractor?  I've got a PTO 
>>>> drive
>>>> pump that came with a backhoe attachement that I plan to mount on the
>>>> belt
>>>> pulley drive of one of my D-14's.  That way I can run the backhoe and
>>>> also
>>>> have hydraulic capability for a loader or whatever when not using the
>>>> backhoe.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have 5 junk combines around here that I could cannibalize a pump 
>>>>> from.
>>>>>  However, there is no room on a MF65 LP to belt drive a pump.  It 
>>>>> would
>>>>> have to have a rear exit exhaust manifold and reroute the air cleaner
>>>>> pipe to give enough clearance on the right side.  Then you would have 
>>>>> to
>>>>> fashion 2 idlers for the back side of the belt to give the pump and 
>>>>> the
>>>>> generator and the fan enough belt contact to drive...  If I could 
>>>>> drive
>>>>> a double pump or a larger pump with a flow divider from the camshaft
>>>>> drive for the power steering, then I could drive the loader pump and
>>>>> have some real movement in the loader.  3 gpm off the transmission 
>>>>> pump
>>>>> is just not enough to really be efficient.  I can put a front pulley
>>>>> shaft drive on it, but then I have to build a guard to protect the 
>>>>> pump
>>>>> and also have to remove the pump and drive to change the fan belt,
>>>>> another pain in the butt.  Continental had many types of auxillary
>>>>> drives on their other engines so I thought maybe the G176 in the 65
>>>>> could handle a 12 gallon pump....
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I had a MF65 on LP follow me home a couple of nights ago.  It has
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> with the front axle support that mounts to the engine.  The first 
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> in 40 years that I have seen one that is cracked.  It doesn't appear
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have ever had a loader mounted.  It must have had a bad wreck or
>>>>>>> fall...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am trying to install a hyd pump to put a front end loader on it if 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> ever get a front support found..  Some forklift pumps mount on the
>>>>>>> engine and drive off the camshaft.  They use a continental engine.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> tractor has power steering.  Could I mount a hydraulic pump off the
>>>>>>> camshaft drive for the power steering pump and run a loader and the
>>>>>>> power steering.  I could always install a flow divider, or a double
>>>>>>> pump
>>>>>>> to get the power steering...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ceci:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would probably just pull a pump, tank and valve off of a self
>>>>>> propelled combine and use those. Many even have usable almost
>>>>>> universal pump mounting brackets. Any pump that will lift a 4 or 6 
>>>>>> row
>>>>>> corn head should handle about any loader.
>>>>>> Maybe MF or somebody else even had one to fit that engine if it was
>>>>>> ever used on a combine.
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> I wonder if maybe it was used in tractor pulling? I have seen those
>>>>>> things dropped so hard that front axles break completely out from
>>>>>> under them. I can't recall just how our MF-65 was built in that area
>>>>>> but I wonder if the existing parts could be repaired by welding and
>>>>>> built up stronger than original? I have been known to add a good bit
>>>>>> of heavy steel to a once broken casting that bridges out beyond the
>>>>>> break area sometimes using a bunch of cap screws through the heavy
>>>>>> steel into tapped holes in solid parts of the casting.
>>>>>> I was going to put a loader on a Farmall 400 with wide front (then
>>>>>> changed my mind) but once while I had the front axle out from under 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> I welded a truss type support under the axle at the pivot to spread
>>>>>> the weight farther out on the axle.
>>>>>> Years ago we broke a lift arm on my MF-165 and rather than replace it
>>>>>> we just welded it and added another piece above it to span the weak
>>>>>> area. It works perfectly and has for probably 30 years.
>>>>>> A "good" repair can often be many times stronger than the original
>>>>>> part.
>>>>>> I mention this generally because I know that you already do stuff 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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