[AJD] Bad tractor day - 1950 AR

Thu Jun 11 18:18:03 PDT 2009

After thinking about it for a while I too agreed that there was just 
too much oil coming out to be coming from around the rings. Plus 
there was oil coming out from the top of the hose connection on the 
carburetor side of the air cleaner. A mouse nest was a good 
possibility although my tractors are not in a barn, I hadn't seen any 
signs and we got a killer of a cat! The first thing I did was to take 
off the oil bath. No help there as the oil was as clean as it was 
when I filled it after restoration. I was hoping to at least find 
some pieces of grass! Tonight we decided to go ahead and take the 
front grill section off in order to remove the air cleaner and then 
the air intake. Everything in there was as clean as a whistle, except 
for the coating of oil! I took a welding rod and stuck down the drain 
hole in the bottom of the intake. Very tight, a good sign in this 
case. A little more prodding and some dirt began to fall to the top. 
I think we've found the problem. Dirt dobbers! Ended up knocking 
about a half a cup of dirt out of the intake. Certainly enough to 
stop up the air flow. Hopefully tomorrow night we can put her back 
together and fire her up. I feel much better tonight! Thanks guys!!!!

At 03:12 AM 6/9/2009, you wrote:
>Tommy: Also check to see that the intake pipe doesn't have a restriction in
>it. My A did that a few years ago after sitting over night in a shed, mice
>had built a nest in the intake stack causing it to suck oil out of the
>crankcase because it couldn't get air through the intake stack. It had me
>scratching my head for a while cause it ran perfect the day before!
>
>Bruce Mahr
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <greg at theoldtractorcompany.com>
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>Subject: Re: [AJD] Bad tractor day - 1950 AR
>
>
> > Sounds like the crankcase filled with fuel, diluting and "building" the
> > oil.
> > Double check the carb
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
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> >
> > Greg Stephen
> > The Old Tractor Company
> > Stephen Equipment Company
> > PO Box 709
> > Franktown, CO 80116
> > 303-663-5246
> > 1-866-381-8703 FAX everything looked okay there.  The oil had a smell of
> > gas so I
> >> changed it and put in fresh oil. Reinstalled the carb and did some
> >> rough adjusting a few days ago. Then after supper today I went out
> >> and started her up and adjusted some more. She seemed to be running
> >> pretty good and the smoke had almost stopped, just a little blue
> >> smoke coming out. After running for a few minutes and getting good
> >> and warm I decided to run her down the street. Put her in 5th gear
> >> and started down the driveway. Talk about blowing smoke!! Also lost a
> >> lot of power. She was still running well but there was no worry about
> >> mosquitoes in the neighborhood! Backed back up the drive and stopped.
> >> Oil was actually running out of the exhaust pipe connection from the
> >> manifold. There was also oil coming out of the exhaust pipe
> >> connection up under the hood which was being blown back by the fan
> >> all over the front of the engine. What a mess! I guess the best
> >> problem would be a broken ring but I'm not sure that that much oil
> >> could come from just bypassing the rings. Hopefully the block isn't
> >> cracked. Looks like another engine teardown is in my future! I really
> >> wanted to get this ol' girl cleaned up to go to some shows this
> >> summer. Bummer......
> >>
> >> At 10:21 PM 4/27/2009, you wrote:
> >> >Tommie,
> >> >
> >> >Charlie's advice is appropriate.  Need to get rid
> >> of those possible problems>first.
> >> >
> >> >Here is how I analyze the color of exhaust
> >> smoke:>
> >> >White = Condensation or water
> >> >Blue = Excess oil
> >> >Black = Excess gasoline
> >> >
> >> >Try getting the tractor warmed up with clean
> >> fuel. Getting the tractor>warmed up and worked a bit may cause all the
> >> other problems to go away. The>carburetor butterflies may be sticking too
> >> and
> >> may not just be a Governor>problem.
> >> >
> >> >Dean Van Peursem
> >> >Snohomish, WA 98290
> >> >
> >> >The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop
> >> digging>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From:
> > 
> antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]
> > On Behalf Of>CEE VILL
> >> >Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:56 PM
> >> >To: John Deere
> >> >Subject: Re: [AJD] 1950 AR Governor
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Tommy,
> >> >
> >> >Whiteish blue smoke is not typically
> >> "flooding up with gasoline" smoke. It>could come from a couple of other
> >> problems.
> >> Before worrying about those, I>suggest you drain the gas tank and carb
> >> and try
> >> some fresh fuel.  It sounds>like oil is mixed with your fuel.??
> >> >
> >> >Hope this helps.
> >> >
> >> >Charlie V.
> >> >
> >> > > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:42:09
> >> -0400> > To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com> > From: t17wils
> >> on at comcast.net> > Subject: [AJD] 1950 AR Governor
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey Guys, if you remember, a couple years
> >> ago I restored an AR that> > had been sitting for over 30 years. I don't
> >> get a lot of time these> > days to play with my tractors and it seems
> >> like the governor has> > locked up on it. It will kick in just a
> >> little bit, but not very> > much. I think this is why it has very slow
> >> throttle response. Any> > suggestions on the best/easiest way to fix?
> >> It also seems to be> > flooding up after running for a while.
> >> After idling, when I throw the> > gas to it she blows out quite a bit of
> >> whiteish/blue smoke. Guess I> > need someone better than me to adjust on
> >> the carb!> >
> >> > > Tommy Wilson
> >> > > Warrenton, VA
> >> > > 1948 IH Cub
> >> > > 1950 IH H
> >> > > 1950 JD AR
> >> > > 1951 JD B
> >> > > 1951 Ford 8N
> >> > > 1952 IH SC
> >> > >
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> >> Tommy Wilson
> >> Warrenton, VA
> >> 1948 IH Cub
> >> 1950 IH H
> >> 1950 JD AR
> >> 1951 Ford 8N
> >> 1951 JD B
> >> 1952 IH SC
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Tommy Wilson
Warrenton, VA
1948 IH Cub
1950 IH H
1950 JD AR
1951 Ford 8N
1951 JD B
1952 IH SC 