[AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda

Al Jones farmallsupera at earthlink.net
Mon Feb 23 08:07:42 PST 2009 

Charlie, 

We have a fellow here that raises a lot of horse quality bermuda hay and I believe it all goes in square bales.

Al

-----Original Message-----
>From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 23, 2009 10:03 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda
>
>Thanks Cecil,  That tells me a good bit.  The difference in your market and 
>ours is that I could sell it in 50# square bales to women with horses for 
>about 5 or 6 $ a bale.  That's about 4 times what you get for yours but 
>there is a lot more labor and baling expense with the square bales.
>I am just curious.  I've got about everything I need except the hay specific 
>equipment (bales, conditioner, etc).  I've got the land and it doesn't bring 
>in much rent these days so I'm looking for alternatives.
>
>I'm thinking about sweet potatoes and pumkins to sell in the local market 
>and a few other things.    I'll probably just keep leasing it as long as it 
>comes close to paying the tax and insurance.
>
>Charlie
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda
>
>
>Profitable????  We get about 3  1000lb bales per acre/ cutting.  It is
>fertilized  and sprayed.  The fertilizer and spray cost is about $20 per
>bale.  2 cuttings a year so far. However, we are closing out our 400
>bales of 2007 hay at $25 per bale because the net wrap will not last
>another year....  It is Tifton and Midland bermuda.  Personally I like a
>good quality prairie grass for hay.  It has a mixture of many grasses
>etc and I believe it is a better quality forage.
>
>Cecil in OKla
>
>charliehill wrote:
>> How much acreage of coastal bermuda does it take to be profitable?  How 
>> many
>> bails per acre do you get per cutting and how many days between cuttings 
>> (on
>> average).  I know it varies by region, that's why I said days between
>> cuttings instead of cutting per year.
>>
>> I've got about 40 to 45 acres I could put in coastal and it is all land 
>> that
>> would do very good for that use.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>
>>
>> I was looking for one of those bi-directional tractors when a guy was
>> supposed to buy my 2-105 White.  He took too long in deciding and I
>> found that I had priced the White for a lot less than I could replace it
>> with a smaller tractor with a cab for.  So I ended up with a 7600 Ford,
>> 4wd and no cab but it does have a loader.
>>
>> Last week I found a 7030 Allis and brought it home.  It was delivered in
>> 1974 to the farm I have been baling Bermuda grass on.  Then a local guy
>> bought it and farmed a place about 10 miles away, then sold it to a
>> local trader and he put it on Craigs list and I was the first one to
>> find it.   It needs a PTO stub shaft.  The one on it is sheared off!!
>>
>> Then yesterday I went about 220 miles East of here and bought a NH 648
>> round baler.  Pulled it back home, about a 4 hour trip back...  It has
>> been shedded, but not really maintained very well.
>>
>> So, I guess I am ready to bale hay this summer.  Funny thing.  It is the
>> driest I have ever seen it.  No snow to speak of, shirt sleeve weather
>> in February.  Hope the drought is not here.  If so, I am really in deep ..
>>
>> Cecil in oKla
>>
>> charliehill wrote:
>>> Yep I understand.  However, a lot of the things we don't like about 
>>> todays
>>> tractors and trucks for that matter have arisen out of gov't regs.  I'm
>>> not
>>> saying they aren't sometimes necessary or sometimes advantageous but it's
>>> really hard, these days, to make something simple and trouble free.
>>>
>>> I don't know much about the New Holland equipment but I've got to say,
>>> from
>>> what I've seen of their new stuff I kind of like it.  A local turf farmer
>>> has a couple of new NH tractors and they look pretty smart and have a lot
>>> of
>>> HP in a small package.  Also, I saw a NH up in Maryland at Chrismas that
>>> was
>>> about as slick a rig as I've seen lately.  It was a farm tractor of
>>> probably
>>> 100+ HP on a fairly large frame but the seat was turned around backwards.
>>> The whold back of the cab was a big sheet of glass with a big windshield
>>> wiper.  It was set up with a huge snowplow and had joy stick controls on
>>> both arm rests.  It would be a pleasure to clear snow in that rig.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>
>>>
>>>> Charlie,
>>>>
>>>> I agree.  I was thinking more of one of the caseIH Farmall compacts (I
>>>> say
>>>> "compact," I think they have a line of even larger Farmalls on the 
>>>> market
>>>> now) with say, H-styled sheetmetal (plastic) on it.
>>>>
>>>> The N series Fords were nice, in their day.  It took JD and IH to 
>>>> perfect
>>>> the concept of the small, two-three plow tractor with decent hydraulics,
>>>> more HP and operator comfort, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>> From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Date: 2/22/2009 6:50:36 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>
>>>>> Al, I'd be the last to kick a Farmall A.  They are great tractors for
>>>> what
>>>>> they do.  However, I'd be willing to bet the gov't wouldn't let you
>>>>> build
>>>>> one today.  They are inherently unstable.  Not in the hands of someone
>>>> that
>>>>> knows what they are doing (including small boys when well trained) but
>>>> can
>>>>> you imagine the roll-overs and law suits if you built one new and put 
>>>>> it
>>>> in
>>>>> the hands of a yuppie with a horse farm?  The same applies to a lot of
>>>> our
>>>>> old iron including all of the 1 row high crop tractors and the offset
>>>> Ford.
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never been a real big fan of the N-series Fords to begin with,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> as far as this "new" one goes, to borrow a line from Smokey and the
>>>>>> Bandit:
>>>>>> anybody that would own something like that would go to a minister's
>>>>>> funeral
>>>>>> dressed in feathers!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be interesting if CNH would try something similar with their
>>>>>> Farmall line--making a model with A/B/C/H/M styling, but you can't
>>>> improve
>>>>>> on perfection!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>>> From: Ralph Goff <alfg at sasktel.net>
>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 2/21/2009 3:30:31 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie, just a wild guess but I'd bet you could add another zero to
>>>> that
>>>>>>> $600  and multiply by 4 and still not have enough to buy that new
>>>> little
>>>>>>> Ford. Wonder if it will still be as popular as the old Ns are now at
>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>> years of age? Those little old tractors bring good money at the farm
>>>>>>> auctions now, somewhere in the 1 to 2,000 dollar price range.
>>>>>>> That three point hitch on the new one would possibly be strong enough
>>>> to
>>>>>>> lift the old 8N off the ground at 2800 pounds capacity.
>>>>>>> Could this be a new trend, using well known old names to sell new
>>>>>> tractors?
>>>>>>> I think CNH did it with the McCormick name recently, using it on 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> of Landini tractors. Our good old Canadian built Versatile tractors
>>>> went
>>>>>>> through quite a series of name changes over the years but have
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> back to the original Versatile name even though the new owner is a
>>>>>>> (Russian?) based one, Rostselmash. These however, are still a true
>>>> North
>>>>>>> American built tractor.
>>>>>>> Whats next, a Mahindra tractor in Cockshutt 40 sheet metal? I bet
>>>> they'd
>>>>>>> sell a few.
>>>>>>> Charlie, if I have trouble getting my new 8N across the border I 
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to park it at your place for a while. Thanks for the offer. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "new atislist" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First thoughts!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What can be seen of the 3 pt. hitch looks like the old 8n.  I do not
>>>> see
>>>>>>> much else though.
>>>>>>> The old 8n was somewhere around $600 usd new.  Is this one the same
>>>>>> price??
>>>>>>> ("I'll bet"   Grin)
>>>>>>> Even so, Ralph, if you have yours shipped to me, I will test drive it
>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple of years and not charge for my time.  Best offer that I have
>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie V. in WNY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:12:20 -0600
>>>>>>>> From: alfg at sasktel.net
>>>>>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heres an interesting item that turned up in this week's Western
>>>>>>>> Producer
>>>>>>>> magazine. It appears that Ford/New Holland/CNH or whatever the
>>>>>>>> powers
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> be now are using the old 8N's popularity to try and sell a few new
>>>>>>>> tractors.
>>>>>>>> This one does bear a passing resemblance to the old 8N. Have a look
>>>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> new "Boomer 8N"
>>>>>>>> www.the8n.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>>>>
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