[AT] How about this orange tractor, Attn: Travis

[charliehill]

Henry,  the computer can tell you that a sensor is out of range and that a 
control can not pull it back into range.  The computer can't tell you if 
it's a bad sensor, a bad control, a vacuum leak or a burned valve.  If it 
can I'd love to hear you elaborate on how?

I'm not trying to be argumentative.  I just want to understand.  Also, I'd 
like to know more about your diagnostic equipment.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Miller" <hank at millerfarm.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] How about this orange tractor, Attn: Travis


> As the maker of computer diagnostics (otc genisys), the computer knows 
> about 80%, and the parts replacer just replaces that part (cheaper than 
> fixing it).  There is no real need for brains, so leave them at the door.
>
> That other 20%...  Well it is still a 4 cycle engine, and everthing from a 
> 1887 engine appies, plus a bunch of new things like EGR.  Some times 
> understanding hot tube ignition or points helps solve problems even on 
> modern distributorless ignition systems.  The most important part is 
> problem solving skills combined with an understanding of how things work. 
> (Expirence is helpful too)  Once you have that the computer can tell you 
> lots of interesting things, but if you don't know what it means knowing 
> the data won't help.
>
> Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, yestergears at intrstar.net
>><yestergears at intrstar.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Talking with the dealer, he told me they are looking for computer 
>>> operators moreso than mechanics these days.... Amazing... He said
>>> the computer told them what to replace repair now.  Then all he needed 
>>> was a parts changer.
>>
>>I say bullcrap.  That dealer is sadly mistaken, and he will be bitten
>>by his own perception that all he needs is a "parts changer".  This
>>perception is rampant in the automotive world these days too, although
>>most dealers and independent shops know the real score, and it's the
>>consumer who thinks the computer does all the real work and some
>>minimum-wage drone hangs the parts.  The fact is, as systems become
>>more complex, so do the repairs, and even higher-skilled technicians
>>are required.
>>
>>Steve O.
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