[AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda

Al Jones farmallsupera at earthlink.net
Mon Feb 23 18:54:01 PST 2009


Charlie,

If I were raising hay, I wouldn't mind one bit making a light bale for them
at the "heavy bale" price!  I don't have anything against horses per se,
but the way some horse people act, I wouldn't have any problem charging
them.


Al


> [Original Message]
> From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Date: 2/23/2009 11:24:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda
>
> Yeah Al, I know several folks that are raising "horse hay" of course the 
economy is taking a toll on the horses like it is on everything and
everyone 
else so that market may dry up.

Believe it or not, I've heard women say they will pay more for lighter
bales 
because they just can't handle the heavy bales.  Women's logic... go
figure. 
If I were them and couldn't do anything else, I'd get me a bale needle 
(stick with a point on it) and a roll of baling twine and split the heavy 
bales in half.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda


> Charlie,
>
> We have a fellow here that raises a lot of horse quality bermuda hay and
I 
> believe it all goes in square bales.
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>Sent: Feb 23, 2009 10:03 AM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda
>>
>>Thanks Cecil,  That tells me a good bit.  The difference in your market 
>>and
>>ours is that I could sell it in 50# square bales to women with horses for
>>about 5 or 6 $ a bale.  That's about 4 times what you get for yours but
>>there is a lot more labor and baling expense with the square bales.
>>I am just curious.  I've got about everything I need except the hay 
>>specific
>>equipment (bales, conditioner, etc).  I've got the land and it doesn't 
>>bring
>>in much rent these days so I'm looking for alternatives.
>>
>>I'm thinking about sweet potatoes and pumkins to sell in the local market
>>and a few other things.    I'll probably just keep leasing it as long as 
>>it
>>comes close to paying the tax and insurance.
>>
>>Charlie
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:20 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N/Now hay, coastal bermuda
>>
>>
>>Profitable????  We get about 3  1000lb bales per acre/ cutting.  It is
>>fertilized  and sprayed.  The fertilizer and spray cost is about $20 per
>>bale.  2 cuttings a year so far. However, we are closing out our 400
>>bales of 2007 hay at $25 per bale because the net wrap will not last
>>another year....  It is Tifton and Midland bermuda.  Personally I like a
>>good quality prairie grass for hay.  It has a mixture of many grasses
>>etc and I believe it is a better quality forage.
>>
>>Cecil in OKla
>>
>>charliehill wrote:
>>> How much acreage of coastal bermuda does it take to be profitable?  How
>>> many
>>> bails per acre do you get per cutting and how many days between cuttings
>>> (on
>>> average).  I know it varies by region, that's why I said days between
>>> cuttings instead of cutting per year.
>>>
>>> I've got about 40 to 45 acres I could put in coastal and it is all land
>>> that
>>> would do very good for that use.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>
>>>
>>> I was looking for one of those bi-directional tractors when a guy was
>>> supposed to buy my 2-105 White.  He took too long in deciding and I
>>> found that I had priced the White for a lot less than I could replace it
>>> with a smaller tractor with a cab for.  So I ended up with a 7600 Ford,
>>> 4wd and no cab but it does have a loader.
>>>
>>> Last week I found a 7030 Allis and brought it home.  It was delivered in
>>> 1974 to the farm I have been baling Bermuda grass on.  Then a local guy
>>> bought it and farmed a place about 10 miles away, then sold it to a
>>> local trader and he put it on Craigs list and I was the first one to
>>> find it.   It needs a PTO stub shaft.  The one on it is sheared off!!
>>>
>>> Then yesterday I went about 220 miles East of here and bought a NH 648
>>> round baler.  Pulled it back home, about a 4 hour trip back...  It has
>>> been shedded, but not really maintained very well.
>>>
>>> So, I guess I am ready to bale hay this summer.  Funny thing.  It is the
>>> driest I have ever seen it.  No snow to speak of, shirt sleeve weather
>>> in February.  Hope the drought is not here.  If so, I am really in deep 
>>> ..
>>>
>>> Cecil in oKla
>>>
>>> charliehill wrote:
>>>> Yep I understand.  However, a lot of the things we don't like about
>>>> todays
>>>> tractors and trucks for that matter have arisen out of gov't regs.  I'm
>>>> not
>>>> saying they aren't sometimes necessary or sometimes advantageous but 
>>>> it's
>>>> really hard, these days, to make something simple and trouble free.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about the New Holland equipment but I've got to say,
>>>> from
>>>> what I've seen of their new stuff I kind of like it.  A local turf 
>>>> farmer
>>>> has a couple of new NH tractors and they look pretty smart and have a 
>>>> lot
>>>> of
>>>> HP in a small package.  Also, I saw a NH up in Maryland at Chrismas 
>>>> that
>>>> was
>>>> about as slick a rig as I've seen lately.  It was a farm tractor of
>>>> probably
>>>> 100+ HP on a fairly large frame but the seat was turned around 
>>>> backwards.
>>>> The whold back of the cab was a big sheet of glass with a big 
>>>> windshield
>>>> wiper.  It was set up with a huge snowplow and had joy stick controls 
>>>> on
>>>> both arm rests.  It would be a pleasure to clear snow in that rig.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Charlie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree.  I was thinking more of one of the caseIH Farmall compacts (I
>>>>> say
>>>>> "compact," I think they have a line of even larger Farmalls on the
>>>>> market
>>>>> now) with say, H-styled sheetmetal (plastic) on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The N series Fords were nice, in their day.  It took JD and IH to
>>>>> perfect
>>>>> the concept of the small, two-three plow tractor with decent 
>>>>> hydraulics,
>>>>> more HP and operator comfort, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>> From: charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Date: 2/22/2009 6:50:36 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al, I'd be the last to kick a Farmall A.  They are great tractors for
>>>>> what
>>>>>> they do.  However, I'd be willing to bet the gov't wouldn't let you
>>>>>> build
>>>>>> one today.  They are inherently unstable.  Not in the hands of 
>>>>>> someone
>>>>> that
>>>>>> knows what they are doing (including small boys when well trained) 
>>>>>> but
>>>>> can
>>>>>> you imagine the roll-overs and law suits if you built one new and put
>>>>>> it
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the hands of a yuppie with a horse farm?  The same applies to a lot 
>>>>>> of
>>>>> our
>>>>>> old iron including all of the 1 row high crop tractors and the offset
>>>>> Ford.
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never been a real big fan of the N-series Fords to begin 
>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> as far as this "new" one goes, to borrow a line from Smokey and the
>>>>>>> Bandit:
>>>>>>> anybody that would own something like that would go to a minister's
>>>>>>> funeral
>>>>>>> dressed in feathers!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be interesting if CNH would try something similar with 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> Farmall line--making a model with A/B/C/H/M styling, but you can't
>>>>> improve
>>>>>>> on perfection!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>>>> From: Ralph Goff <alfg at sasktel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: 2/21/2009 3:30:31 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie, just a wild guess but I'd bet you could add another zero 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> $600  and multiply by 4 and still not have enough to buy that new
>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> Ford. Wonder if it will still be as popular as the old Ns are now 
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>>> years of age? Those little old tractors bring good money at the 
>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>> auctions now, somewhere in the 1 to 2,000 dollar price range.
>>>>>>>> That three point hitch on the new one would possibly be strong 
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> lift the old 8N off the ground at 2800 pounds capacity.
>>>>>>>> Could this be a new trend, using well known old names to sell new
>>>>>>> tractors?
>>>>>>>> I think CNH did it with the McCormick name recently, using it on
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>> of Landini tractors. Our good old Canadian built Versatile tractors
>>>>> went
>>>>>>>> through quite a series of name changes over the years but have
>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> back to the original Versatile name even though the new owner is a
>>>>>>>> (Russian?) based one, Rostselmash. These however, are still a true
>>>>> North
>>>>>>>> American built tractor.
>>>>>>>> Whats next, a Mahindra tractor in Cockshutt 40 sheet metal? I bet
>>>>> they'd
>>>>>>>> sell a few.
>>>>>>>> Charlie, if I have trouble getting my new 8N across the border I
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to park it at your place for a while. Thanks for the offer. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "new atislist" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:08 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thoughts!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What can be seen of the 3 pt. hitch looks like the old 8n.  I do 
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> much else though.
>>>>>>>> The old 8n was somewhere around $600 usd new.  Is this one the same
>>>>>>> price??
>>>>>>>> ("I'll bet"   Grin)
>>>>>>>> Even so, Ralph, if you have yours shipped to me, I will test drive 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple of years and not charge for my time.  Best offer that I have
>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie V. in WNY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:12:20 -0600
>>>>>>>>> From: alfg at sasktel.net
>>>>>>>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AT] New 8N
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heres an interesting item that turned up in this week's Western
>>>>>>>>> Producer
>>>>>>>>> magazine. It appears that Ford/New Holland/CNH or whatever the
>>>>>>>>> powers
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> be now are using the old 8N's popularity to try and sell a few new
>>>>>>>>> tractors.
>>>>>>>>> This one does bear a passing resemblance to the old 8N. Have a 
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new "Boomer 8N"
>>>>>>>>> www.the8n.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
>>>>>>>>>
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