[AT] Briggs 18hp starter gear removal? (Off Topic?)

[Larry Goss]

Bill, does the package you are buying have the Briggs logo on it?  There parts, and then there are PARTS.  Just because the gears look the same and fit on the starter shaft does not mean they have the same composition.

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Brueck <b2 at chooka.net>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:05
Subject: Re: [AT] Briggs 18hp starter gear removal? (Off Topic?)
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>

> I hadn't attempted to replace the gear whilst the starter was on 
> the engine, it was all a bench job for me.  I agree, bolt 
> placement is tight and the way the thing sits into my Snapper I 
> have to unbolt the engine and jack it up to get the starter 
> out.  But I do this without removing the shroud.  
> Pulling off the shroud would require total engine removal in my 
> application.  Not that big a job, I guess.  
> 
> I hadn't thought about alignment, thanks, Steve.  Maybe the 
> first time I took it off I lost some shims.  The original 
> gear ran for years, then as soon as I started replacing them 
> they didn't last very well.  Maybe next time I'll pull the 
> engine and then the shroud so I can see how those gears are 
> lining up.  Or, more likely, I'll be in a hurry and just 
> put the spare starter into the damn thing again.
> 
> B²
> 
> Bill Brueck
>    Chatfield, Minnesota, USA
> 
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Will Powell
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:27 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Briggs 18hp starter gear removal? (Off Topic?)
> 
> 
> 
> This is a retro-fit for my engine. The pull starter was/is a 
> piece of junk. No matter which rope size and quality I used, 
> after a month the rope would snap. The pull start will only 
> allow a thin rope. Eventually switched to thin wire cable, but 
> still, the pull starter is too week for the size of the engine. 
> 
> Found that the generator was under the flywheel from factory so 
> all I needed was a starter and a voltage regulator... I spent a 
> lot of time aligning the starter. Took starter off about 4 times 
> and spaced it with thin shim washers, this was not an easy job, 
> bolt placement is very restricted. Anyway, I'm with Bill Brueck, 
> these starter gears are cheap. They just can't handle the size 
> of the engine... Gears started wearing after the first week of 
> usage. 
> 
> Tried tapping that retainer hub down last night, no luck. I 
> think I'm going to have to remove the starter which is the last 
> thing I want to do. I already have the flywheel off, that's 
> easier than removing the starter. Took a picture but failed to 
> post on my website... 
> 
> Thanks for all of the help. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Will Powell (PA) 
> AC C,WC,CA,WD,D17,G,HD6G 
> williampowell.net 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> 
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:29:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [AT] Briggs 18hp starter gear removal? (Off Topic?) 
> 
> Bill Brueck wrote: 
> > You're on the right track, Will. I think it's the same Briggs 
> starter that 
> > I have. I was able to press the assembly down enough to make 
> room to get a 
> > freshly ground screwdriver in there and start the ring out of 
> its groove. 
> > Was kind of a hassle as I recall but not too bad. 
> > 
> > Actually, mine has been off several times. The $#&@ thing has 
> taken to 
> > eating these nylon gears about once a year. Can't figure out 
> why, the ring 
> > gear isn't buggered up or anything. I've wondered if the 
> replacement gears 
> > just aren't very good. I bought a spare starter pretty cheap 
> on eBay and 
> > keep it ready to swap in as needed. 
> > 
> > 
> > B² 
> > 
> > Bill Brueck 
> 
> Bill, 
> the usual cause for them eating the gears is misalignment. The 
> next is 
> that they are not the same exact pitch. 
> 
> -- 
> Steve W. 
> 
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