[AT] Tire Orientation

[charlie hill]

Larry you're right there.  Turning the landside wheel backwards and the 
furrow wheel forwards would help to balance the load when plowing and I 
started to say that earlier.  However, I don't think you would want to try 
it the other way around.  Then again with a JD L and closed cleat tires you 
might not have know the difference.  grins.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Goss" <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Tire Orientation


> Gee, I wish I would have known there would be a big difference in traction 
> between tires by reversing the tread on the old John Deere- L when I was 
> using it as a kid.  It would have been fun to know we weren't going to 
> have any traction with that backwards wheel we always ran on the landside 
> when plowing.

I've seen tires run backwards for exactly the  reason you mentioned.  No 
extra jack, lack of time, or what ever.  But then having both of them 
backwards makes them equal even if they do have less traction.

Charlie
>
> Truthfully, we never noticed any difference in the treads.  Most of the 
> time we had the mower mounted on the tractor and had the wheels set wide 
> and both with reversed treads.  We only turned the right wheel around 
> correctly during plowing season when we had to be able to run the right 
> rear wheel in the furrow.  BUT, tires all by themselves will make a 
> difference.  The tires on that old L had closed cleats instead of the open 
> cleats that are standard today.  They were always filled with packed dirt 
> and more than likely the amount of slippage was pretty high regardless of 
> which direction the treads were running.
>
> In recent times, I've been running a utility tractor with turf tires at 
> our church for ten years and several locations on the lawn were worn bare 
> from the slippage of those tires.  About a year ago I bought a pair of 
> high-flotation lugged tires for it and we immediately cut the amount of 
> mowing time (and gasoline usage) by 1/4 just by changing the tires.  There 
> is that much extra slippage in turf tires.
>
> It's interesting to go back through the data sheets from the Nebraska 
> tests and look at the percentage of slippage on the various tractors and 
> then correlate that with the type of tires that were being run.
>
> BTW, in case you're wondering why we purposely ran the tires backwards, we 
> were kids!  We didn't bother switching sides with the wheels when we 
> dished them outward for the mower -- that would have taken extra work and 
> we would of had to find another jack, or a jack stand, or cribbing.  It 
> was bad enough that the tires were loaded with calcium.  We weren't going 
> to do anything more than we had to.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: charlie hill <chill8 at suddenlink.net>
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008 14:36
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tire Orientation
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>
>> Steve, it's going to matter any time you are pulling any sort of
>> a load on
>> loose or slick ground, grass etc.  I'd ask them to change
>> it.  If they were
>> both backwards you would loose some ability to pull going
>> forward but that's
>> about all.   With one right and one wrong the one in
>> the correct orientation
>> will have a big traction advantage.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "The Allen Family" <steveallen855 at centurytel.net>
>> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:16 AM
>> Subject: [AT] Tire Orientation
>>
>>
>> > Quite a while back, I had a rim on my '48 JD A rot out--I
>> posting
>> > something to
>> > that effect here on the list.  Well, after long searches
>> and many
>> > distractions,
>> > I finally located a really good wheel, rim, and tire for
>> $50.  The tire
>> > was
>> > actually brand new, and it didn't match the tires I had on the
>> tractor
>> > (one of
>> > which was also bad).  So I had a local tire store find a
>> matching, new
>> > tire and
>> > mount it on the (relatively) good original wheel.  All OK
>> so far.
>> >
>> > The potential problem lies in that, when I came home last
>> night to
>> > finally find
>> > everything back on the tractor, I discovered that the tire
>> store had
>> > mounted
>> > the replacement tire to the old rim in the same orientation as the
>> > other one so
>> > that, with the wheels both on the tractor dish out, one tire
>> is pointed
>> > backwards.
>> >
>> > Thus, my question is:  what effect, if any, will using
>> the tractor in
>> > various
>> > activities with the tires thus oriented have?  I am
>> *guessing* that the
>> > only
>> > problem will be one of uneven traction because of the opposing
>> tread
>> > patterns,
>> > and I am *guessing* that this difference will only matter in
>> tasks that
>> > require
>> > hard pulls, such as plowing, disking, and so forth (I don't do
>> tractor
>> > pulls,
>> > but I hope to do some gardening).  I am *guessing* that
>> this difference
>> > won't
>> > matter in tasks like brush-hogging, towing a wagon, or on
>> pavement for
>> > travel.
>> >
>> > Are my *guesses* accurate, or do I need to call the guy back
>> out for
>> > the hassle
>> > of changing the one tire around on its rim immediately?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > The "original" Steve Allen
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