[AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)

[Charles]

That is a paint job to be proud of, don't care if its on an antique tactor 
or new pickup!

Charles
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" 
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)


> My experience with using hardeners shows me that their main advantage is
> that they are easier to use.  Nice gloss without runs and sags is a bit 
> more
> of a challenge without it.  A little care with gun technique makes it
> possible to do a nice job without running the health risks.  Paint repairs
> are also easier to do if necessary.  Here's how straight IH 2150 should 
> look
> without hardener if carefully done with probably less than $40 worth of
> paint.
> http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/H/Mike_1.jpg
>
> George Willer
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
>> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:29 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
>>
>> Good food for thought Dudley!  I'm still thinking about it.  To my
>> way of thinking having a tractor so perfect is not much fun--and too
>> expensive for what I do with them.   I'm still enjoying learning how
>> just to get a decent "farmer quality" paint job.       John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:17 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
>> >George's response/philosophy on using the old standby paints has 
>> >reminded
>> me
>> >that this is my philosophy as well.  I guess, however, that I arrived at
>> >this philosophy not because of safety concerns (although safety should
>> >always be paramount) but because I've become cheap.
>> >
>> >In 1984 I entered the muscle car world when I bought a 67 GTO and like a
>> lot
>> >of folk in that world I wound up pouring a gazillion dollars into
>> bodywork
>> >and paint to say nothing of the mechanical work.  As you might guess 
>> >this
>> >became a "garage queen" which only made it out on a handful of occasions
>> >each year.  I was always up tight that someone's knees, elbows, chin
>> (when
>> >they bent over to inspect), grimy fingers or just their moist breath was
>> >going to come into contact with the car.  When my oldest granddaughter
>> was
>> >about four (she just turned seventeen) I came so close to yelling at her
>> to
>> >not touch grandpa's car when it dawned on me that this is not the kind 
>> >of
>> >guy, let alone grandpa, that I want to be.  I kept the car for several
>> more
>> >years but I virtually lost all interest in it and my attention turned to
>> >antique tractors, which I vowed would never have expensive paint jobs 
>> >for
>> >the reason given above.
>> >
>> >My first tractor restoration, which was in 95, was a 52 John Deere Model
>> B
>> >that I sprayed with John Deere green (no hardener) and brushed with John
>> >Deere yellow ...less than a hundred bucks in paint.  There are scratches
>> now
>> >on the sheet metal from the tractor going through brush and fuel stains
>> >around the gas cap but I've come to love those imperfections as they
>> remind
>> >me not of a showroom tractor but of a real working tractor.
>> >
>> >I had a Super H Farmall sprayed with PPG/Ditzler paint with hardener 
>> >five
>> or
>> >six years ago and then a year later I sprayed an MTA with IH paint (no
>> >hardener).  Like George said regarding his experience it's pretty hard 
>> >to
>> >tell the difference.  These tractors also have fuel stains around the
>> filler
>> >cap and one has a small rear engine oil seal leak and the other a
>> hydraulic
>> >leak at the two-way valve.  But to me it's these imperfections that give
>> the
>> >tractor entry into the working class of tractors.
>> >
>> >I still enjoy very much going to car shows and admiring the $$$$ paint
>> jobs
>> >just as I do the tractors at the shows.  But I am now content to let
>> someone
>> >else pay for them and get the ulcers from worrying about them while I
>> enjoy
>> >playing in the dirt or mowing fields with my tractors.
>> >
>> >Dudley
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of George Willer
>> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:34 AM
>> >To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>> >Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
>> >
>> >John,
>> >
>> >Take it from a guy with badly damaged lungs.  There is no reverse!  The
>> >catalyzed paints are best left to the professionals with their exotic
>> >equipment.  Those of us who are doing our own painting with less than
>> >perfect equipment can still get a nice job using the old standby paints
>> that
>> >don't require the dangerous additives.
>> >
>> >Some years ago I painted two identical tractors two weeks apart using IH
>> >dealer supplied paint... one with hardener and one without.  I can only
>> tell
>> >them apart now by the damaged (lifted) paint around the gas cap.  That's
>> the
>> >one with hardener.
>> >
>> >George Willer
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
>> > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
>> > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:19 PM
>> > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > > Subject: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
>> > >
>> > > Thought it's about time I got serious about tractor painting and my
>> > > health!   Can anyone suggest an affordable air-supplied face
>> > > mask/hood that I could hook up to my air supply?  I'm starting to do
>> > > a lot more painting with catalyzed paint (mostly acrylic urethanes)
>> > > and I don't have a multi gazzillion dollar vented paint
>> > > booth.....just an empty wood shed.....until the weather get good
>> > > enough for outside painting.  The more I read about the nasty
>> > > isocyanates in paint catylists the more I think I'd better protect my
>> > > lungs!  Looking for ideas.       John W.
>> >
>> >
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