[AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
John Wilkens
jwilkens at eoni.com
Sun Mar 30 23:34:08 PDT 2008
Beautiful George! Wish I had your skill. Afraid those 45 years lets
me out though! I do think I'll try the Ironguard and acetone at
least once. Thanks for the idea. John
At 04:59 PM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
>Yes, I painted it... with Case-IH Ironguard #2150. The one thing I do
>differently is to substitute plain old acetone for the recommended reducer.
>This speeds things up a bit. I do use good DeVilbiss equipment and have
>about 45 years experience with it. Practice helps.
>
>George
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:26 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> >
> > Wow! So what paint did you use, and how did you get a gloss like
> > that? (I assume you painted it?) John
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:23 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
> > >My experience with using hardeners shows me that their main advantage is
> > >that they are easier to use. Nice gloss without runs and sags is a bit
> > more
> > >of a challenge without it. A little care with gun technique makes it
> > >possible to do a nice job without running the health risks. Paint
> > repairs
> > >are also easier to do if necessary. Here's how straight IH 2150 should
> > look
> > >without hardener if carefully done with probably less than $40 worth of
> > >paint.
> > >http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/H/Mike_1.jpg
> > >
> > >George Willer
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:29 PM
> > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > > >
> > > > Good food for thought Dudley! I'm still thinking about it. To my
> > > > way of thinking having a tractor so perfect is not much fun--and too
> > > > expensive for what I do with them. I'm still enjoying learning how
> > > > just to get a decent "farmer quality" paint job. John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 12:17 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
> > > > >George's response/philosophy on using the old standby paints has
> > reminded
> > > > me
> > > > >that this is my philosophy as well. I guess, however, that I arrived
> > at
> > > > >this philosophy not because of safety concerns (although safety
> > should
> > > > >always be paramount) but because I've become cheap.
> > > > >
> > > > >In 1984 I entered the muscle car world when I bought a 67 GTO and
> > like a
> > > > lot
> > > > >of folk in that world I wound up pouring a gazillion dollars into
> > > > bodywork
> > > > >and paint to say nothing of the mechanical work. As you might guess
> > this
> > > > >became a "garage queen" which only made it out on a handful of
> > occasions
> > > > >each year. I was always up tight that someone's knees, elbows, chin
> > > > (when
> > > > >they bent over to inspect), grimy fingers or just their moist breath
> > was
> > > > >going to come into contact with the car. When my oldest
> > granddaughter
> > > > was
> > > > >about four (she just turned seventeen) I came so close to yelling at
> > her
> > > > to
> > > > >not touch grandpa's car when it dawned on me that this is not the
> > kind of
> > > > >guy, let alone grandpa, that I want to be. I kept the car for
> > several
> > > > more
> > > > >years but I virtually lost all interest in it and my attention turned
> > to
> > > > >antique tractors, which I vowed would never have expensive paint jobs
> > for
> > > > >the reason given above.
> > > > >
> > > > >My first tractor restoration, which was in 95, was a 52 John Deere
> > Model
> > > > B
> > > > >that I sprayed with John Deere green (no hardener) and brushed with
> > John
> > > > >Deere yellow ...less than a hundred bucks in paint. There are
> > scratches
> > > > now
> > > > >on the sheet metal from the tractor going through brush and fuel
> > stains
> > > > >around the gas cap but I've come to love those imperfections as they
> > > > remind
> > > > >me not of a showroom tractor but of a real working tractor.
> > > > >
> > > > >I had a Super H Farmall sprayed with PPG/Ditzler paint with hardener
> > five
> > > > or
> > > > >six years ago and then a year later I sprayed an MTA with IH paint
> > (no
> > > > >hardener). Like George said regarding his experience it's pretty
> > hard to
> > > > >tell the difference. These tractors also have fuel stains around the
> > > > filler
> > > > >cap and one has a small rear engine oil seal leak and the other a
> > > > hydraulic
> > > > >leak at the two-way valve. But to me it's these imperfections that
> > give
> > > > the
> > > > >tractor entry into the working class of tractors.
> > > > >
> > > > >I still enjoy very much going to car shows and admiring the $$$$
> > paint
> > > > jobs
> > > > >just as I do the tractors at the shows. But I am now content to let
> > > > someone
> > > > >else pay for them and get the ulcers from worrying about them while I
> > > > enjoy
> > > > >playing in the dirt or mowing fields with my tractors.
> > > > >
> > > > >Dudley
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of George
> > Willer
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:34 AM
> > > > >To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > > > >Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > > > >
> > > > >John,
> > > > >
> > > > >Take it from a guy with badly damaged lungs. There is no reverse!
> > The
> > > > >catalyzed paints are best left to the professionals with their exotic
> > > > >equipment. Those of us who are doing our own painting with less than
> > > > >perfect equipment can still get a nice job using the old standby
> > paints
> > > > that
> > > > >don't require the dangerous additives.
> > > > >
> > > > >Some years ago I painted two identical tractors two weeks apart using
> > IH
> > > > >dealer supplied paint... one with hardener and one without. I can
> > only
> > > > tell
> > > > >them apart now by the damaged (lifted) paint around the gas cap.
> > That's
> > > > the
> > > > >one with hardener.
> > > > >
> > > > >George Willer
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:19 PM
> > > > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thought it's about time I got serious about tractor painting and
> > my
> > > > > > health! Can anyone suggest an affordable air-supplied face
> > > > > > mask/hood that I could hook up to my air supply? I'm starting to
> > do
> > > > > > a lot more painting with catalyzed paint (mostly acrylic
> > urethanes)
> > > > > > and I don't have a multi gazzillion dollar vented paint
> > > > > > booth.....just an empty wood shed.....until the weather get good
> > > > > > enough for outside painting. The more I read about the nasty
> > > > > > isocyanates in paint catylists the more I think I'd better protect
> > my
> > > > > > lungs! Looking for ideas. John W.
> > > > >
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