[AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)

Sun Mar 30 10:23:16 PDT 2008

My experience with using hardeners shows me that their main advantage is
that they are easier to use.  Nice gloss without runs and sags is a bit more
of a challenge without it.  A little care with gun technique makes it
possible to do a nice job without running the health risks.  Paint repairs
are also easier to do if necessary.  Here's how straight IH 2150 should look
without hardener if carefully done with probably less than $40 worth of
paint.
http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/H/Mike_1.jpg 

George Willer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:29 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> 
> Good food for thought Dudley!  I'm still thinking about it.  To my
> way of thinking having a tractor so perfect is not much fun--and too
> expensive for what I do with them.   I'm still enjoying learning how
> just to get a decent "farmer quality" paint job.       John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 12:17 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
> >George's response/philosophy on using the old standby paints has reminded
> me
> >that this is my philosophy as well.  I guess, however, that I arrived at
> >this philosophy not because of safety concerns (although safety should
> >always be paramount) but because I've become cheap.
> >
> >In 1984 I entered the muscle car world when I bought a 67 GTO and like a
> lot
> >of folk in that world I wound up pouring a gazillion dollars into
> bodywork
> >and paint to say nothing of the mechanical work.  As you might guess this
> >became a "garage queen" which only made it out on a handful of occasions
> >each year.  I was always up tight that someone's knees, elbows, chin
> (when
> >they bent over to inspect), grimy fingers or just their moist breath was
> >going to come into contact with the car.  When my oldest granddaughter
> was
> >about four (she just turned seventeen) I came so close to yelling at her
> to
> >not touch grandpa's car when it dawned on me that this is not the kind of
> >guy, let alone grandpa, that I want to be.  I kept the car for several
> more
> >years but I virtually lost all interest in it and my attention turned to
> >antique tractors, which I vowed would never have expensive paint jobs for
> >the reason given above.
> >
> >My first tractor restoration, which was in 95, was a 52 John Deere Model
> B
> >that I sprayed with John Deere green (no hardener) and brushed with John
> >Deere yellow ...less than a hundred bucks in paint.  There are scratches
> now
> >on the sheet metal from the tractor going through brush and fuel stains
> >around the gas cap but I've come to love those imperfections as they
> remind
> >me not of a showroom tractor but of a real working tractor.
> >
> >I had a Super H Farmall sprayed with PPG/Ditzler paint with hardener five
> or
> >six years ago and then a year later I sprayed an MTA with IH paint (no
> >hardener).  Like George said regarding his experience it's pretty hard to
> >tell the difference.  These tractors also have fuel stains around the
> filler
> >cap and one has a small rear engine oil seal leak and the other a
> hydraulic
> >leak at the two-way valve.  But to me it's these imperfections that give
> the
> >tractor entry into the working class of tractors.
> >
> >I still enjoy very much going to car shows and admiring the $$$$ paint
> jobs
> >just as I do the tractors at the shows.  But I am now content to let
> someone
> >else pay for them and get the ulcers from worrying about them while I
> enjoy
> >playing in the dirt or mowing fields with my tractors.
> >
> >Dudley
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of George Willer
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:34 AM
> >To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> >Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> >
> >John,
> >
> >Take it from a guy with badly damaged lungs.  There is no reverse!  The
> >catalyzed paints are best left to the professionals with their exotic
> >equipment.  Those of us who are doing our own painting with less than
> >perfect equipment can still get a nice job using the old standby paints
> that
> >don't require the dangerous additives.
> >
> >Some years ago I painted two identical tractors two weeks apart using IH
> >dealer supplied paint... one with hardener and one without.  I can only
> tell
> >them apart now by the damaged (lifted) paint around the gas cap.  That's
> the
> >one with hardener.
> >
> >George Willer
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:19 PM
> > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > Subject: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > >
> > > Thought it's about time I got serious about tractor painting and my
> > > health!   Can anyone suggest an affordable air-supplied face
> > > mask/hood that I could hook up to my air supply?  I'm starting to do
> > > a lot more painting with catalyzed paint (mostly acrylic urethanes)
> > > and I don't have a multi gazzillion dollar vented paint
> > > booth.....just an empty wood shed.....until the weather get good
> > > enough for outside painting.  The more I read about the nasty
> > > isocyanates in paint catylists the more I think I'd better protect my
> > > lungs!  Looking for ideas.       John W.
> >
> >
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