[AT] Patching Rear Tire on Tractor?

charlie hill chill8 at suddenlink.net
Tue Jun 24 09:11:45 PDT 2008 

That makes a big difference Ralph.  My biggest tire is a 14.9 x 26.

Years ago I was helping a friend of mine with a flat tire on his 4xxx series 
JD.  I don't remember exact model.  It went flat in the field.  We got it 
off and went to get the truck.  We left his hired man, a fellow about 5'7 
and 140 lbs holding the  tire balanced in the upright position.  As we came 
back with the truck we couldn't see the hired man but the tire still seemed 
to be standing up.  We rushed over to find the guy with the tire on his back 
and both hands on the end of the JD's axle.  His arms were bent about 30 
degs at the elbow and his arms were shaking like leaves in a strong breeze. 
If we hadn't gotten there when we did that tire ( still mostly filled with 
fluid) would have driven the axle right through him.  I'm not real sure how 
it happened to get away from him and why he got between the tire and the 
axle.  I'm just glad it didn't impale him.

When you see something like that it makes the mobile tire repair guy seem 
cheap.

Charlie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph Goff" <alfg at sasktel.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Patching Rear Tire on Tractor?


> I'm fortunate to have a rural mobile tire repair man living nearby so the
> mileage charges are not too bad. Pretty well all big ag tires are done by
> mobile units now as it just too much work removing the fluid and loading 
> the
> wheels in  a truck. The tire guys have all the pneumatic equipment and no
> problem breaking beads without removing the dual wheels.
> True , it is not cheap though. During spring seeding I had an inside dual
> start to leak on the 2090 Case. Since the tires were 19 years old and over
> 3000 hours I figured I might as well replace the pair. Two new 18.4x38
> Goodyear duratorques with tubes installed right in the farm yard, just 
> about
> $2000.
> On a smaller tractor tire without fluid to deal with I would try it 
> myself.
> I recall removing a 14.9x34 from a Cockshutt 40 years ago with the wheel
> still on the tractor. In those less environmentally conscious days I just
> let the calcium chloride run onto the ground as that tractor would not 
> need
> it.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <william.neff.powell at comcast.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Patching Rear Tire on Tractor?
>
>
>> Agreed, having someone else do the work is the way to go....
>>
>> But, maintaining all of my tractors is getting expensive.Daughter is in
>> college and one more after that..
>>
>> If I can do it myself, I do.... Maybe when the kids are out of College I
>> will pay someone to do the work, or, I may just have to reduce my
>> collection.....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Will Powelll
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: farmallsupera at earthlink.net
>>> There is a tire shop about 5-10 miles from here that does good work and
>>> is
>>> reasonable.  I had much rather unbolt the rim from the
>>> tractor/trailer/vehicle
>>> etc. and take it to them, or load the tractor on the trailer and take it
>>> to them
>>> if it's a rear tire, or even drive the tractor to them, than try to do 
>>> it
>>> myself!
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: charlie hill <chill8 at suddenlink.net>
>>> >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 7:28 AM
>>> >To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: [AT] Patching Rear Tire on Tractor?
>>> >
>>> >Will I'm pretty much the same as you.  I grew up in a service station
>>> >that
>>> >my dad owned until I was 9 and then finished growing up helping him
>>> >farm.
>>> >I've changed and patched my share of tires but now days I generally 
>>> >just
>>> >take them to the tire shop.  The hardest part of that is getting them 
>>> >in
>>> >the
>>> >back of the truck or on the trailer.  I have a trailer that is low
>>> >enough
>>> >that I can back it up to the tractor tire, jack up the tractor, unbolt
>>> >the
>>> >tire and it will fall onto the trailer.
>>> >
>>> >I'm like you, I don't know why I never thought of using vise grips for 
>>> >a
>>> >stop on the bead.  Thanks for the tip Farmer but I don't think I'll be
>>> >needing it.  LOL
>>> >
>>> >Charlie
>>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >From: <william.neff.powell at comcast.net>
>>> >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>> ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:44 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: [AT] Patching Rear Tire on Tractor?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Indiana,
>>> >>
>>> >> I have been changing tires since I can remember. Bike tires to start.
>>> >> Screw drivers to start. In high school (1980) in metal shop I forged
>>> >> some
>>> >> tire irons, one from 3/4 inch rod and another from a VW jack handle.
>>> >> Still
>>> >> have them and still use them. My grandfather ran a taxi business on
>>> >> Long
>>> >> Island and when he passed I asked for and got his tire changer, nice
>>> >> for
>>> >> front tractor tires. It will break the bead and spin the tire off the
>>> >> rim.
>>> >>
>>> >> But, the Rear tractor tires are tough, especially if they are full of
>>> >> calcium chloride. I'm just removing the liquid. I don't plow so I
>>> >> don't
>>> >> need the extra weight.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good idea on the vice grips as a stop, don't know why I never thought
>>> >> of
>>> >> that...
>>> >>
>>> >> The WD tire that went flat was one I was hoping that I would not have
>>> >> to
>>> >> do again. I removed it earlier, needle scraped and wire brushed it,
>>> >> then
>>> >> painted it... My goal when doing tractor repairs is to make them
>>> >> permanent. (wishful thinking)
>>> >>
>>> >> My D17 rear was a pain due to its mass.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have two on my WC that should be done to save the rims and two on a
>>> >> CA I
>>> >> picked up. Turned the CA tire stems up so they would stop leaking on
>>> >> my
>>> >> barn floor....
>>> >>
>>> >> Changing the tires is a physical job and a messy one if you still 
>>> >> have
>>> >> the
>>> >> calcium in the tires.... Something I want to do but after doing one I
>>> >> get
>>> >> discouraged.... Maybe I have too many tractors...
>>> >>
>>> >> Looking forward to a successful tire repair while rim is still on the
>>> >> tractor.. Hope it saves me some time. Yes, agreed that tractor should
>>> >> be
>>> >> chocked and secure.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Will Powell
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>> >> From: Indiana Robinson <robinson at svs.net>
>>> >>> william.neff.powell at comcast.net wrote:
>>> >>> > Hello,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Had a great weekend with my WD. Made some extra $ mowing a field
>>> >>> > with
>>> >>> > the bush
>>> >>> mower. Its nice when the tractor I spend so much time and money on
>>> >>> can
>>> >>> help me
>>> >>> make some extra $$$.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Decided to tarp the tractor this morning and noticed that my left
>>> >>> > rear
>>> >>> > tire
>>> >>> was flat.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I had just fixed this tire about a year ago.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Considering an attempt to remove the tube while the rim is still 
>>> >>> > on
>>> >>> > the
>>> >>> tractor? Has anyone done this? I know that professional tire 
>>> >>> services
>>> >>> do
>>> >>> repair
>>> >>> tractor tires while the rim is on because my father had it done on
>>> >>> his
>>> >>> tractor.....
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I do not have special tools, just tire irons and my small backhoe
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > break the
>>> >>> bead. In this case the tire has already come off the bead.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > How do others repair their rear tires?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Regards,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Will Powell
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> ==================================
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If the bead has broken you are 2/3rds done.   :-)
>>> >>> The only reason I would ever take a rear rim off of a tractor would
>>> >>> be
>>> >>> to break the bead.
>>> >>> I just use a tire hammer, about 3 tire irons (mostly just two) and 
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> least 1 pair of large Vise-grips. The vise grips are used as a stop
>>> >>> clamped on the rim. A "C" clamp will also work. I bought one of 
>>> >>> those
>>> >>> heavy bead breaker tools with about a 5' long slide hammer handle at
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> garage sale last year but I have not used it yet.
>>> >>> I have a tool I made a few years ago that mounts on my Farmall Super
>>> >>> M's
>>> >>> Speeco 3 point hitch (has down pressure) so I can lay the tire and
>>> >>> rim
>>> >>> flat on the ground and push the bead loose.
>>> >>> I normally change my own and have done some for customers but not
>>> >>> when I
>>> >>> could get out of it...  :-)
>>> >>> I even patched one on my MM-R at he Conner Prairie living history
>>> >>> Country Fair event as a demonstration (had picked up a puncture) 
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> bunch of people standing around watching like it was the birth of a
>>> >>> panda bear.   :-)   The pair of tires on that MM came off of George
>>> >>> Willer's Case some years ago (thanks George, I still appreciate
>>> >>> them),
>>> >>> they were his "turf tires". For some reason he thought his Case
>>> >>> needed
>>> >>> taller tread.   :-)
>>> >>> I'm waaaay behind and sometime this summer I need to change six 13.6
>>> >>> X
>>> >>> 38" (or as close to that size as I can find) rears and remove one 
>>> >>> 12"
>>> >>> X
>>> >>> 24" from my Allis C and install a large thin boot at a spot I just
>>> >>> noticed this spring. Obviously I won't be buying all new ones, OUCH!
>>> >>> Maybe we should break the country into districts and start having
>>> >>> tire
>>> >>> changing parties.   :-)   We could probably manage to have them on
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> hottest day of the year and out where there is no shade.
>>> >>> :-)
>>> >>> As an after thought here, if the rim is rusty I always wire brush
>>> >>> them,
>>> >>> wash them down and paint them. I might leave the outside rusty but I
>>> >>> like good paint inside.
>>> >>> Block the tractor up, chock all of the other wheels and do not bleed
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> the tire, rim or tools.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -- 
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "farmer"
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't mind being absent minded so bad if forgetfulness
>>> >>> could just be a little more selective. Just last week I
>>> >>> was saying so to "whats-her-name..."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hay & Straw Exchange (Buy it, sell it and trade it.)
>>> >>> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HayandStrawExchange
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Francis Robinson
>>> >>> Central Indiana, USA
>>> >>> robinson at svs.net
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