[AT] Hydrogen fuel

[charlie hill]

Steve I completely agree with you and George on this issue, however, you can 
never get 100% utilization out of any energy source.  Last week I was 
talking to a local oil jobber that I'm doing some work for.  We got on 
exactly the same topic and he told me that even gasoline requires more 
energy to produce than you get back out of it.  The whole issue comes down 
to being able to make energy "portable" or usable for a specific purpose 
while keeping it economical enough to be useful.

The guy I was talking to is big into biodiesel and is following ethanol very 
closely.

Charlie
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Subject: Re: [AT] Hydrogen fuel


> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: Ed Stewart <edstewart1 at verizon.net>
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Hydrogen fuel
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:35:29 -0500
>
>>I am a member of the Hydroxy group on Yahoo
>>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/ There are a
>>bunch of fellows  working on ways to obtain Hydrogen from
>>water for fuel and sharing info  with eachother,. Ed
>
>
> As George Willer has pointed out (by the way, HI GEORGE!)
> you need to input energy to split a water molecule into
> separate hydrogen and oxygen atoms.  Under absolutely
> perfect conditions (impossible to attain) you get back
> exactly what you put in when they recombine, nothing more.
> Therefore hydrogen is an energy storage medium, like
> compressed air or a rechargeable battery.  Hydrogen is not
> an energy SOURCE like petroleum, natural gas, or sunlight.
>
> The thinking that somehow water can be spit into hydrogen
> and oxygen easily, with little energy input, is analgous to
> modern alchemy.  Check history - they finally gave up trying
> to turn lead into gold.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Steve O.
>
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