[AJD] The controversy

Fri Feb 8 15:23:10 PST 2008

Brad wrote:
Green Magazine has had articles on the NG tractors also. Most people 
that receive the magazines can read, have the ability to disregard any 
articles in the magazine. No problem. Which of you bitched about 
electronic ignitoins, fuel injection, automatic transmissions. 
Apparently no one bitches about the internet, computers. That is change. 
The magazines must change with the times also or go the way of point 
ignitions. Let's keep beating this dead horse, it's doing a lot of good.

J.R. Hobbs wrote:

>I have to ask this question:  Why pick on Two-Cylinder?  I've not seen an issue of GM for some time, but I've been told that they have been running articles about NG tractors, and when I was there, we pretty much did everything on NG except the 3020 and 4020, which I refused to do because of a lack of information. So, why isn't there a hue and cry whenever GM does an article on a NG tractor, as I was given to understand they did in January?  I certainly didn't hear or see any complaints about that on the lists and message boards.
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>  J.R. Hobbs
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>Michael Scholl <buck69_hunter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>  Here's my 2-cents...
>
>The Number-Series and Styled-Letter-Series two-cylinder tractors are
>classics and the Unstyled tractors are antique. Since a large number of
>even the earliest of the new generation tractors are still in active use,
>they hardly qualify to be considered classic. My son-in-law has 5 tractors
>on the farm, two 4020's. The only tractor of his that I would consider a
>classic is his '52 Farmall H (which is also used on a daily basis) 
>
>I have 3 green tractors, a '35 B (antique) and a '39 B (classic), the other
>is only 4 years old. One could argue that anything built in the 30's should
>be considered antique, but I feel that all Styled tractors should be grouped
>together. My '39 is on cut-off spokes and looks nearly as antique as my
>'35.
>
>In Minnesota (where I live), to have a Collector-Classic license plate on a
>car, the car cannot be newer than a 1948 model. I guess that I'm more of a
>purist, but following this rule I guess that all of the Letter-Series would
>be classics.
>
>Two-Cylinder Magazine should be about two-cylinder tractors, if NG's are
>included, the name should be changed to "Two-Cylinder and All Other Green
>Tractors Magazine" 
>
>Cheers,
>Mike ;)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>Bill Salisbury
>Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:05 AM
>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
>
>HI Troy,
>
>I don't have any experience with the new tractors. Mine is a 1956, one of
>the last of the 2 cylinder types and it is still running very well and it is
>probably the only one I will ever own. I know it will be running long after
>I am gone! Besides that, it sounds right!
>
>Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Troy Bogdan" 
>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
>
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>>Don't worry Bill,
>>Those tractors from the modern era won't be around long enough to matter .
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>>. everything made in the last 20 years is junk.
>>Probably all end up melted down and sent to China, Troy
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dean Vinson" 
>>To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
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>>>Bill wrote:
>>>
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>>>>The only way, it was discovered, to allow the club
>>>>to grow was to accept the fact that the newer and
>>>>younger members identify with and enjoy the newer
>>>>engines and that someday they will be older too and
>>>>some more advanced types will take their place.
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>>>>
>>>Hi, Bill. Your comments were well put--thanks for the discussion.
>>>
>>>One thing I wonder about, is what the folks 30 years in the future will
>>>think of as classics. With any kind of technology it seems like there 
>>>can
>>>really only be one "antique" period. A 4020 will never be an antique.
>>>Maybe there can be multiple classic periods, though.
>>>
>>>To me the -10 and -20 series New Generation tractors will always be the
>>>true
>>>"classic" Deeres, but I can see how some of the later models could be
>>>viewed
>>>the same way if you'd grown up around them. But I can't imagine tractors
>>>from the 90s or 2000s ever being seen as classics; to me they're just
>>>modern
>>>tractors and will always be modern tractors. If you're 10 or 15 years 
>>>old
>>>today, will an 8430 be a classic 30 years from now?
>>>
>>>Dean Vinson
>>>Dayton, Ohio
>>>www.vinsonfarm.net
>>>
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