[AJD] The controversy

Fri Feb 8 14:24:07 PST 2008

Chris
well said and I agree

Frank
gremaux at midrivers.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris C" <jdnutinwa at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy


> JR,
>
>  First off,  the name and the club,  Two Cylinder,
> would right off the bat rule out anything that is not
> two cylinders in the most pure of the correct policed
> mind sets.
>
>  I do remember an uproar when Green Magazine branched
> out,  but now I think everyone has acclemated.
>
>   I think that once the initial shock to the 2-banger
> purists is over the frequency of flaming arrows will
> decrease...  I know I am not going to stop
> subscribing.  All I can say is that in the time I have
> been around Two Cylinder tractors (about 20 years now)
> they have gone from easy to find parts and other
> stuff,  to getting more scare,  higher priced,  and
> harder to find parts for..  So of course 'we'
> collectors wouldn't want them to just be pushed off
> stage by the newer more abundant, and seemingly really
> popular NG tractors that are starting to take the
> stage from the older guys..
>
>   Fear and the unknown make for lots of emotional
> responses..  Just keep up the good work there at TC
> and all us paranoid types will eventually see that
> we're not getting kicked aside..
>
>      Chris
>
>          Chris
> --- "J.R. Hobbs" <jrhobbs2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have to ask this question:  Why pick on
>> Two-Cylinder?  I've not seen an issue of GM for some
>> time, but I've been told that they have been running
>> articles about NG tractors, and when I was there, we
>> pretty much did everything on NG except the 3020 and
>> 4020, which I refused to do because of a lack of
>> information. So, why isn't there a hue and cry
>> whenever GM does an article on a NG tractor, as I
>> was given to understand they did in January?  I
>> certainly didn't hear or see any complaints about
>> that on the lists and message boards.
>>
>>   J.R. Hobbs
>>
>> Michael Scholl <buck69_hunter at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>   Here's my 2-cents...
>>
>> The Number-Series and Styled-Letter-Series
>> two-cylinder tractors are
>> classics and the Unstyled tractors are antique.
>> Since a large number of
>> even the earliest of the new generation tractors are
>> still in active use,
>> they hardly qualify to be considered classic. My
>> son-in-law has 5 tractors
>> on the farm, two 4020's. The only tractor of his
>> that I would consider a
>> classic is his '52 Farmall H (which is also used on
>> a daily basis)
>>
>> I have 3 green tractors, a '35 B (antique) and a '39
>> B (classic), the other
>> is only 4 years old. One could argue that anything
>> built in the 30's should
>> be considered antique, but I feel that all Styled
>> tractors should be grouped
>> together. My '39 is on cut-off spokes and looks
>> nearly as antique as my
>> '35.
>>
>> In Minnesota (where I live), to have a
>> Collector-Classic license plate on a
>> car, the car cannot be newer than a 1948 model. I
>> guess that I'm more of a
>> purist, but following this rule I guess that all of
>> the Letter-Series would
>> be classics.
>>
>> Two-Cylinder Magazine should be about two-cylinder
>> tractors, if NG's are
>> included, the name should be changed to
>> "Two-Cylinder and All Other Green
>> Tractors Magazine"
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike ;)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]
>> On Behalf Of
>> Bill Salisbury
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:05 AM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
>>
>> HI Troy,
>>
>> I don't have any experience with the new tractors.
>> Mine is a 1956, one of
>> the last of the 2 cylinder types and it is still
>> running very well and it is
>> probably the only one I will ever own. I know it
>> will be running long after
>> I am gone! Besides that, it sounds right!
>>
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Troy Bogdan"
>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
>>
>>
>> > Don't worry Bill,
>> > Those tractors from the modern era won't be around
>> long enough to matter .
>>
>> > .
>> > . everything made in the last 20 years is junk.
>> > Probably all end up melted down and sent to China,
>> Troy
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Dean Vinson"
>> > To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>> >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:52 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AJD] The controversy
>> >
>> >
>> >> Bill wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The only way, it was discovered, to allow the
>> club
>> >>> to grow was to accept the fact that the newer
>> and
>> >>> younger members identify with and enjoy the
>> newer
>> >>> engines and that someday they will be older too
>> and
>> >>> some more advanced types will take their place.
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Bill. Your comments were well put--thanks for
>> the discussion.
>> >>
>> >> One thing I wonder about, is what the folks 30
>> years in the future will
>> >> think of as classics. With any kind of technology
>> it seems like there
>> >> can
>> >> really only be one "antique" period. A 4020 will
>> never be an antique.
>> >> Maybe there can be multiple classic periods,
>> though.
>> >>
>> >> To me the -10 and -20 series New Generation
>> tractors will always be the
>> >> true
>> >> "classic" Deeres, but I can see how some of the
>> later models could be
>> >> viewed
>> >> the same way if you'd grown up around them. But I
>> can't imagine tractors
>> >> from the 90s or 2000s ever being seen as
>> classics; to me they're just
>> >> modern
>> >> tractors and will always be modern tractors. If
>> you're 10 or 15 years
>> >> old
>> >> today, will an 8430 be a classic 30 years from
>> now?
>> >>
>> >> Dean Vinson
>> >> Dayton, Ohio
>> >> www.vinsonfarm.net
>> >>
>> >>
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