[AJD] Fwd: Re: [JDAT] Re: NewGen vs TC

Sun Feb 3 19:12:48 PST 2008

NG tractors might be collectable in some ways, but how are real prices?  NG 
tractors are probably still in use producing real work and their value lies 
not in collectability but in workability, or am not understanding NG 
tractors?

Kreig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis" <louis at kellnet.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] Fwd: Re: [JDAT] Re: NewGen vs TC

>I like to see the NG stuff.  That is what I cut my teeth on, on the farm.
> The only problem is that if NG is becoming collectable, that means I am
> becoming an antique.
>
> Lou
>
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> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AJD] Fwd: Re: [JDAT] Re: NewGen vs TC
>
>
> Guess I was only half listening to this so here's my two cents, 
> unsolicited
> input that it is.
>
> I agree with JR, we tend to have similar views on a lot of this stuff.
>
> When I entered this business, it immediately became crystal clear to me 
> how
> this all ranked out. It was a natural
> categorization.
>
> First level, the Two Cylinders. Antique, legendary, quaint, and 
> collectible.
> Still some earning their keep with a
> few isolated innovative souls doing far more with them than was ever
> intended. But basically tractors whose glory
> days had passed.
>
> Second level-NewGen. Again, to me, when I entered the world of Deere this
> was an era that had only recently
> vacated center stage. Large, efficient farming machines and still mostly
> paying their way on their farm. But!
> They had made way for the new kid, the 4430 and the like. 
> NewGen-big,strong,
> a bit crude in the ergonomics and
> would never be confused with the NewGen 2 tractors and of passing interest
> to collectors.
>
> Third level-NewGen2-4030,4230, transforming into the 4040,4240 ane the 
> like.
> Farm tractors. Nothing special and
> nothing I was ever terribly excited about as being of collector interest.
>
> Fourth level-everything else. I never cared too much about these as, to 
> me,
> they were of no collector interest
> and simpy too new.
>
> While on this subject, I break the collector's hobby on lawn and garden
> tractors into the 110's up through the
> 420. Nothing built after the 318 and 420 had the same feel or design as 
> the
> earlier models had and the execution
> of the building of the later models lacked the singular Deere "touch". I
> think you can understand what I mean.
> Today's models are basically a poor attempt at imitating a John Deere lawn
> tractor. Then again, I am getting old
> and somewhat set in my ways. You'll never interest me in anything later 
> than
> a 420 Deere lawn tractor so far as
> collecting them goes.
>
> So what I mean by all this, the hobby to me has always and will always
> encompass all experimental, two cylinder,
> and New Gen tractors. They just seem to go together. An entirely seperate
> class would have to be created to deal
> with the NewGen 2 and later tractors. I leave that to others if someone 
> were
> to rise to the occasion. Also, the TC and NewGen era was when Deere was
> truly Deere. No corporate rethinking and loss of vision had yet
> occurred. The blinders to what was being built and the upheaval in 
> customer
> and dealer relations had yet to be
> installed. The TC and NewGen era were a truly tremendous time in the 
> history
> of Deere, never to be repeated no
> matter how often empty and baseless references today are paid to 
> "tradition"
> and "history". Today's Deere can
> talk the talk but I guarantee you they no longer walk the walk in this 
> area.
> This is a different world and a
> different time.
>
> So sure, the hobby should include NewGen. If ya don't like, don't read it!
>
> Just my musings
>
> Greg
>
>
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>
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>
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> On Sat   , Kenneth Jones  sent:
>>JR,
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for your thoughts, as they are right on target.  As you stated,
>>there will always be those who will not be pleased with a particular
>>edition. Please keep up the excellent work that Jack and you are doing
>>feeding us the information about a darn good product whether it be 2
>>Cylinder or New Generation.  If we as subscribers don't like a
>>particular edition or article, we have choices, we can elect not to
>>read that edition or article, we can send a complaint letter or we can
>>cancel our subscription and cut our nose off to spite our face.  You
>>folks have presented us with a wealth of knowledge over the past 20+
>>years and I for one have been be pleased with your choice of articles
>>since you haven't let me down in my eighteen years of subscriptions.
>>Best of health to you and we will keep you in our thoughts..
>>
>>
>>Just My Humble Opinion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ken Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>"J.R. Hobbs" jrhobbs
>>2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Frank,
>>
>>
>>
>>If you knew anything about the economics of the publishing business, you'd
>>know that what you propose simply isn't possible. The rest of this year
>>will be far more TC than NG, but there will be some NG this, and will be
>>for the foreseeable future. You have to realize that people like Jack and
>>myself, no matter what our personal preferences might be, have to try to
>>please over 18K subscribers per issue, which simply isn't possible.
>>
>>
>>As for the cover photo, I thought it was great, no matter who it was taken
>>for. But everybody likes different stuff. We get people who are PO'ed we
>>won't put a photo of their chrome-plated butchered-up pulling tractor on
>>the cover (not gonna happen, EVER) ,so it's a no-win situation.
>>
>>
>>I'm sorry, I don't think we're out of balance. How many more times would
>>you like us to go over every fact and re-run (for the 4th or 5th time)
>>every photo we have on, say, early Model "D" Tractors? There's no interest
>>in them. We've not had a spoker D at Expo for 3 years!! If we covered
>>what's popular right now, it would be "20" and "30" Series tractors. I
>>think you'd get sick of those in short orderl
>>
>>
>>I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I hope that someday you'll see that
>>we're doing what we think is necessary for the hobby to continue. Jack is
>>65, I'm 55, disabled, with a possibly terminal illness, and there's nobody
>>coming up to take our places.We're trying to recruit people and getting
>>nowhere, because you have to devote your life to this, and young people
>>don't want to do that. What's gonna happen when Jack says "Enough", or if 
>>I
>>die? If we don't get this info out while we're alive, it may never get out
>>at all. Chew on that for a while.
>>
>>
>>JR
>>
>>
>>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>JR
>>
>>
>>
>>still think you should put NG in their own mag.......then you will say put
>>
>>implements in one too........
>>
>>I am only interested in two cylinder and don't read about NG.......I do
>>
>>agree with you that there is a place just don't think it is this
>>
>>mag........I also agree that it is a tractor that is becoming collectable
>>
>>but.......
>>
>>
>>
>>The picture is a great picture and I imagine Mr Cherry was proud of it as
>>
>>his son and future family should be....
>>
>>
>>
>>could be some sort of balance in your mag but ...........
>>
>>
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>gremaux
>>@midrivers.com
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