[Farmall] Super C Transmission work

[Stan Bass]

Todd,
your reasoning made sense so I looked but found that the differential
pinion is on the bottom shaft (the countershaft) which runs in fluid all
the time? Checked the book for procedure getting to both shafts, and
something jumped out at me. It mentioned needing to remove a rivet
holding the reverse spline gear on the upper shaft (spline shaft) before
you could remove the shaft. That reminded me about seeing a small (maybe
1/4 x 1") metal dowel sitting up on the ledge of the case caught in some
grease when I removed the case cover, and later when I drained the case
I found another small section with a head lying in the bottom but didn't
know what it was from or how it got there. I looked again at the spline
shaft and notice that the reverse gear does have a hole the size of the
rivet! I noticed that it was able to slide on the shaft before but
didn't think anything of it sense the shaft also had 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th
sliding gears on it. When checking 1st gear on the countershaft now I
see that it is chewed up on both sides rather than just from the front
where the slider comes in. The back side has been chewed up by the
reverse gear hitting it as well, and that is on the side of the rear
bearing on the countershaft, so it's feasible that those chips were
getting in that bearing. Looks like the only way I will know for sure is
to pull it all the way down :(  I was hoping for a little less
involved... Guess I need to start looking for a 'round to-it'. Should
probably think seriously about just buying a whole replacement tranny...
Thanks for all the commiserating,
Stan(VA). 

farmallgray at aol.com wrote:
> 
> I haven't done much with the C family but if it gets louder in the higher gears it sounds like a bad bearing on  whichever shaft the differential pinion is on. That one would spin faster in the higher gears. Usually a howling noise indicates a bad bearing. Hope this helps.
> Todd
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: headlight at erols.com
> To: farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Sent: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Farmall] Super C Transmission work
> 
> Bob,
> They built alot of these so I wasn't as worried about parts
> availability, more just knowing which ones I needed and how far I needed
> to go to clean it up ;)
> Stan(VA).
> 
> Bob Currie wrote:
> >
> > Stan et all:
> > Good topic, I have a 51 Super C with same stuff. Whining in 3rd and 4th,
> > with a telltale clicking in 4th (chipped tooth?)  When I asked about it
> > last year, most folks said the hardest thing would be locating the needed
> > parts. That scared me off for the time being. Any comments??
> >
> > bobcurrie
> >
> > At 11:17 AM 3/3/07, Stan Bass wrote:
> > >Anyone have any experience inside the Farmall C or Super C family of
> > >transmissions? I have a Super C that howls/grinds in the upper gears,
> > >more noticeable the higher you go (in 3rd and 4th it's obvious, probably
> > >there in 1st and 2nd also). My 230 does not howl like this at all, so I
> > >assumed it's something I should fix. It's not the clunking or ticking
> > >you get with broken teeth, but a steady sound. I have the deck plate off
> > >now and of course nothing looks obvious, no missing teeth, only thing I
> > >see is the oil slinger gear on the lower shaft does wobble some. If it
> > >matters, the PO did have a belt driven saw on the back of it when I
> > >first saw it; so it probably has some stationary PTO hours. Is it common
> > >to need to replace the bearings on the upper shaft? Just a guess since
> > >that one's not sitting in the oil.
> > >
> > >If so, I have the books and need to go hit them next; but I get this
> > >sinking feeling that I need to split the torque tube, axles, and PTO off
> > >to get to all the bearings on those shafts? Is there any chance of this
> > >being done from the top or am I going to need to split this thing in a
> > >million pieces...
> > >Thanks,
> > >Stan(VA).