[AT] OT: Gas story

Mon Jul 9 06:03:59 PDT 2007

As I said, Cirque de Soleil of logic...clouds of smoke, flashing lights,
contortions previously thought impossible.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story

> Sorry, Rog,
>
> I still don't know why you're still pissed off about the greatest
President
> of the last century beating your useless twit hero, Jimmy out of his
second
> term.
>
> Our opinions may differ, but they still should have some basis in fact.
>
> Your specialty is humor, but mine is really logic and fact.  I won't even
> attempt humor.  You should try serious logic instead of humor.  Then maybe
> you'll appreciate what might have (or not) been.  :-(
>
> George
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of captneb
> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:21 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> >
> > George, you are to logic what Cirque de Soleil is to acrobatics.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> >
> >
> > > Rog,
> > >
> > > Are you STILL pissed off that Reagan beat the peanut farmer out of a
> > second
> > > term?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of captneb
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:57 AM
> > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > >
> > > > Is it really a good idea to quote the wisdom of an Alzheimer's
> > patient,
> > > > George?  You confirm our suspicions about your sources.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
> > > > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:43 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Another quote on a slightly different topic that nearly fits here:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
ignorant;
> > it's
> > > > > just that they know so much that isn't so."
> > > > >
> > > > > - Ronald Reagan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Al Jones
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:24 AM
> > > > > > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saved this from an earlier thread, it is such good advice I
held
> > > > onto
> > > > > > it:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two secrets to live by:
> > > > > >  1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it,
> > > > > >  2. Whenever you're right, shut up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Either way this topic has run its course.  Pick #1 or #2 above
and
> > let
> > > > > > it rest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > RonMyers at wildblue.net
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:27 AM
> > > > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I'm such an Idiot them why do these experts agree with what I
> > have
> > > > > > said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RON
> > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > > > > Ground temperatures
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At depths below four feet, ground temperature stays a constant
50
> > to
> > > > 55
> > > > > > degrees Fahrenheit year-round.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > During the winter, a geothermal system absorbs this extra heat
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > earth and transfers it into your home. During the summer, the
> > system
> > > > > > takes
> > > > > > heat from indoors and moves it back underground.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Annual air temperature, moisture content, soil type and
vegetative
> > > > cover
> > > > > > (i.e., trees and plants) all have an effect on underground soil
> > > > > > temperature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you might expect, the earth's temperature changes in response
> > to
> > > > > > weather changes, but there is less change at greater depths.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geothermal - ground temperatures
> > > > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can't we all just get along?
> > > > > > >          Dave
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 12:37 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote:
> > > > > > >>Sometimes I wonder... would this list be totally quiet if Walt
> > never
> > > > > > >>existed? ;-)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Mattias
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>2007/7/5, charlie hill <chill8 at suddenlink.net>:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Ken,  Walt DOES think the world is flat.  That's why no one
> > can
> > > > > > >> explain
> > > > > > >> > anything else to him.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Charlie
> > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >> > From: "Ken Knierim" <ken.knierim at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > > >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:33 PM
> > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Ron,
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Average ground temp in central Arizona is over 80 degrees
> > and
> > > > > > higher
> > > > > > >> > > than that right now. Outside temp is better than 115
> > degrees
> > as
> > > > I
> > > > > > >> type
> > > > > > >> > > this. Pumps are calibrated at 60 degrees according to
> > federal
> > > > > > >> > > standards but the ground doesn't care; no temp regulation
> > > > exists.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Solids, liquids and gases usually expand when heated,
> > right?
> > Do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > >> > > THINK there might be a LITTLE expansion in the fuel with
> > that
> > > > > > kind
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> > > heat?  Do you know the coefficient of expansion for
> > > > > > petrochemicals
> > > > > > >> or
> > > > > > >> > > more specifically, gasoline? Some quick research shows
it's
> > > > close
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > 4X that of mercury:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=ThermalPhysic
> > > > > > s_ThermalExpansion.xml
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > With all due respect, there IS a difference due to
> > temperature.
> > > > > > Now
> > > > > > >> > > whether you'll notice it with a vehicle is another story,
> > but
> > > > > > >> claiming
> > > > > > >> > > it doesn't exist is like saying the earth is flat. You
> > might
> > > > not
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >> > > able to see it (or electrons, for that matter) but
claiming
> > > > it's
> > > > > > >> bull
> > > > > > >> > > isn't very open-minded.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Ken in AZ
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > On 7/4/07, RonMyers at wildblue.net <RonMyers at wildblue.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> George,
> > > > > > >> > >> The temperature at the point where the underground tanks
> > are
> > > > > > stored
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >> > on
> > > > > > >> > >> average 55 deg.  No matter what part of the country that
> > you
> > > > > > live
> > > > > > >> in.
> > > > > > >> > >> North south east or west . this is set by the government
> > > > > > >> regulations.
> > > > > > >> > so
> > > > > > >> > >> it really doesn't matter where you get it from.
> > > > > > >> > >> In almost all states the meters on the pumps are tested
to
> > > > > > >> guarantee
> > > > > > >> > >> their
> > > > > > >> > >> accuracy so this whole bunch of Bull is just that a
bunch
> > of
> > > > > > Bull.
> > > > > > >> > >> You a full gallon of gas at each station or the
government
> > > > will
> > > > > > >> come
> > > > > > >> > down
> > > > > > >> > >> hard on the owners.
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> Ron
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > Some folks completely miss the point.  It's the
> > temperature
> > > > of
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > gas
> > > > > > >> > >> > when
> > > > > > >> > >> > it's metered through the gas pump at the station that
> > makes
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > >> > difference.
> > > > > > >> > >> > The gas that's expanded because it's warmer when it's
> > > > measured
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >> > sold
> > > > > > >> > >> > is
> > > > > > >> > >> > the point.  You're paying for slightly more than
you're
> > > > > > actually
> > > > > > >> > >> > getting.
> > > > > > >> > >> > I
> > > > > > >> > >> > doubt the difference that's claimed is as large as
> > stated,
> > > > but
> > > > > > >> > there's
> > > > > > >> > >> > a
> > > > > > >> > >> > difference anyway.
> > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> > George Willer
> > > > > > >> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT: Gas story
> > > > > > >> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> >> When you put the cold fuel in your hot tank sitting
in
> > the
> > > > > > sun
> > > > > > >> > >> >> alongside
> > > > > > >> > >> >> the Mack doesn't it get warmer.
> > > > > > >> > >> >> I can't believe that anybody would believe that the
> > > > > > temperature
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > >> >> fuel would make difference. If its gasoline its
> > preheated
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > >> > go
> > > > > > >> > >> >> into the Carb. If its diesel it preheated in the
> > manifold
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > >> as
> > > > > > >> > fuel
> > > > > > >> > >> >> injected cars.
> > > > > > >> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> >> Ron
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