[AT] Hole in exhaust manifold....

Tue Jan 30 05:30:15 PST 2007

	Does anyone else remember those old Nash engines where the exhaust manifold
was just a piece of steel tube that looked about like a piece of exhaust
pipe? I only was around one of them and the memory is a little fuzzy. I
recall that it was just clamped along the side of the engine over the
exhaust ports and of course it had matching holes in the back of the pipe
manifold. I don't recall if the back of the manifold pipe had flats around
the holes or if the port faces were ground concave. I don't know if I am
remembering the end cap right but I have an image of a cap about like a
skirted freeze plug (as opposed to a Hubbard plug type). Maybe not. This was
on a 1951 Nash Statesman that a good friend bought about 1964. It was a
large car with a mile of foot room in the back seat and a pair of little
"jump seats" behind the front seat. It was finished out like a luxury car
with a very nice interior. It had a surprisingly little engine, maybe even a
4 cylinder? It was an extremely smooth runner and a very quiet car for the
year.
	Did Nash make their own engines? Were any ever used in tractors?

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of
william.neff.powell at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:31 AM
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Subject: RE: [AT] Hole in exhaust manifold....

Well said Jim & Lyn Evans,

I too am always looking for alternative methods, especially those that are
inexpensive yet effective... My Allis Chalmers HD6G came with a home made
exhaust manifold and muffler. Its a 4 inch diameter pipe with diamond plate
welded on the ends. The previous owner did a decent job. When I got the
dozer it was sooo loud... I thought I would go stock to bring the noise down
and found that a muffler for that dozer was in the hundreds. At about the
same time CT Farm and Country in my town was going out of business, they had
a whole shelf full of mufflers... I bought a large one for about $10.00 and
bolted it to the top of the homemade manifold... Works great, saved me
hundreds of $$$$$.

Here's a pic where you can make out the home made manifold.

http://cyclerestorer.com/williampowell/redbug/images/hd6g/hd6gnewright.jpg

Then one with the muffler from CT Farm and country...

http://cyclerestorer.com/williampowell/redbug/images/hd6g/paintedhd6gleft.jp
g

Will

Pottstown, PA
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jim & Lyn Evans" <jevans at evanstoys.com>
> Since not all of us own stuff that has parts readily available, I think we
> are all looking for advise on how to repair broken items.  Reading about
> everyone's method of repairing manifolds is a lot more informative than
> someone repeating over and over to buy a new one.  Anyone can pick up a
> catalog and credit card and order a new one. The problem is that not all
> manifolds are easy or cheap to replace.  I have one tractor with a
manifold
> that will cost me over $500 to replace with a new one.  Used ones are not
> available.  The new one will also take over 6 months to get.  Guess what
it
> costs if you have to make your own patterns to make a new manifold.  On
one
> of my tractors, I formed a piece of 16 or 18 gauge sheet metal to match
the
> shape of the manifold and brazed it in place.  It has been there for over
> two years now without problems.   The original cast manifold lasted 70
years
> of hard use before breaking.  I bet my patch lasts at least 10 years of
> occasional use.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:10 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Hole in exhaust manifold....
>
> I never had a heat gauge that would measure 2000 degrees, but I had a 68
> Dodge Super Bee that after changing camshaft in the 413 engine.  And
having
> the exhaust valves duration changed so much that after a good run on warm
> engine, the ex manifolds would be glowing red hot. It almost looked like
you
> could see through them. Even in bright daylight.
> -----------------------------------------snip
> Now it's been a while since I taught this stuff, but doesn't braise melt
> around 800?
> -------------------------------------------snip
> If your exhaust manifold was made out of brase or brass yes they it would
> melt.
> Since I dont have the measuring device or the car that done it, im out.
> You can lead a horse to water     but can you make it drink ??
> All anyone is doing is trying to say how each and everyone would fix thier
> own manifold if we all had holes in ours.
> I have learned alot of ways to cure the problem and how others approach
and
> repair thier stuff. Here I thought that I was the master of rigging oh
well
> cant win em all. I still say the manifold is rotten burnt out junk and
> should be replaced.
> But thats just the way I would fix it if it were mine. I hope the putty or
> wharever fixes it and it never gives more trouble.
> Im out.
> ironman
> Kevin Mosier
> 270-388-4052
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Al Jones" <aljones at ncfreedom.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [AT] Hole in exhaust manifold....
>
>
> > If a manifold got to 2000 degrees, the pistons and associated parts of
> > the engine would be in the process of, or already turned into, molten
> > puddles.  Now it's been a while since I taught this stuff, but doesn't
> > braise melt around 800?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Kennedy
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:39 PM
> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Hole in exhaust manifold....
> >
> > Exhaust manifolds can get hot enough to burn though cast iron why would
> > anyone want to use something that can't stand heat above a few hundred
> > degrees. I have personally seem some of mine red hot when run hard that
> > is
> > over 2000 degrees.  Like I said before either braise it or replace it.
> >
> >
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