[AT] Canola to diesel

[Tom Yasnowski]

I would agree--it uses a spark to ignite, not compression


>From: RonMyers at wildblue.net
>Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: RE: [AT] Canola to diesel
>Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:04:48 -0700 (MST)
>
>TOM,
>My Old case LA multifuel runs quite well on diesel when warmed up. But
>since it uses a Mag ignition then its pretty hard to call it a diesel
>engine. It has 4.0 to 1 compression.
>
>Ron.
>
>
> > I cant speak for the new MB's, but If the old mercedes are not true
> > diesels
> > then today isnt super bowl sunday. If it sounds like a diesel, smells 
>like
> > a
> > diesel, takes diesel fuel, has lousy pickup and
> > starts hard in the cold, has 260K + miles and still purrs, and can run
> > straight vegetable oil to boot, and doiesnt have spark plugs,then by
> > gollly,
> > its a diesel!.
> >
> >
> >>From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
> >>Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> >><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AT] Canola to diesel
> >>Date: Sun, 4 Feb:34:26 -0500
> >>
> >>I don't think any basic changes can be retroactive.  It's been about 17
> >>years since I drove any Mercedes regularly.  As far as I know the 190,
> >>190DC, 200D, 220D, 240D, and 300D remain pre-chamber engines.  As best I
> >>can
> >>tell they are NOT true diesels.  The only Mercedes I currently own is a
> >> 450
> >>SLC and it's too valuable to drive.
> >>
> >>George Willer
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> >> > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Tom Yasnowski
> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 3:09 PM
> >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> > Subject: RE: [AT] Canola to diesel
> >> >
> >> > "Pre chamber"?  Sounds like you are talking about a IDI engine.  I
> >> think
> >> > most of them are DI engines
> >> > now....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "George Willer" <gwill at gwill.net>
> >> > >Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> > >To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> >> > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> > >Subject: RE: [AT] Canola to diesel
> >> > >Date: Sun, 4 Feb:54:53 -0500
> >> > >
> >> > >Mike,
> >> > >
> >> > >Maybe I was a bit hasty... maybe it's only the auto engines I'm 
>quite
> >> > >familiar with that aren't true diesels.  They are NOT compression
> >> > ignition,
> >> > >a requirement for diesel, as I understand the term.  They have a
> >>throttle
> >> > >plate that restricts the intake severely at low speeds, resulting in
> >> > >compression ratios far below those required for true diesel
> >>operation...
> >> > >possibly less than 3:1 at idle.  This throttle plate is not to be
> >> > confused
> >> > >with the safety plate working like a check valve to prevent the
> >> engine
> >> > from
> >> > >running backward.
> >> > >
> >> > >They require glow plugs for starting and a heated ball pin (acting
> >> like
> >>a
> >> > >constant glow plug) for continued running.  A broken ball pin will
> >> make
> >> > the
> >> > >cylinder unable to fire.  The injectors feed into a pre-chamber
> >> > containing
> >> > >both the glow plug and the heated ball pin.  The combustion begins
> >>there
> >> > >and
> >> > >is forced through an orfice into the main combustion chamber.
> >> > >
> >> > >It's understandable that many Mercedes owners aren't aware of the 
>odd
> >> > >ignition system since it's unlikely many even consider working on
> >> them.
> >> > Of
> >> > >the eight I've owned 6 have been "diesels" and I've completely
> >> rebuilt
> >> > most
> >> > >of them.
> >> > >
> >> > >George Willer
> >> > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> >> > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sloane
> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 04,:50 PM
> >> > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mercedes aren't true diesels? You have to explain that one,
> >> George!
> >> > > > Mercedes Benz (aka Daimler Benz) probably makes more diesel
> >> engines
> >> > > > (car, trucks, marine, industrial, etc.) than any other single
> >> > > > manufacturer in the world, and if they aren't "true" diesels, it
> >>will
> >> > be
> >> > > > a surprise to a LOT of owners/operators. :-)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mike
> >> > > >
> >> > > > George Willer wrote:
> >> > > > > Mercedes has different ideas about diesel fuel... possibly
> >> because
> >> > >they
> >> > > > > aren't true diesels some other concoctions are suggested.  They
> >>even
> >> > > > endorse
> >> > > > > adding a significant amount of gasoline to the diesel in cold
> >> > weather
> >> > >to
> >> > > > > improve starting.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > George Willer
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Mike Sloane
> >> > > > Allamuchy NJ
> >> > > > <mikesloane at verizon.net>
> >> > > > Website: <www.geocities.com/mikesloane>
> >> > > > Images: <www.fotki.com/mikesloane>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It's hard to argue against cynics - they always sound smarter
> >> > > > than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side.
> >> > > > -- Molly Ivins
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