[Farmall] I hate mice

Thu Dec 27 06:48:38 PST 2007

OK then, I'll be much more direct.  I too enjoy occasional
diversions from old tractors and into the interesting
pecularities of rural life.  I start to take offense when it
becomes a rant against the government.  Let's take that good
old advice to keep politics and religion out of polite
company, shall we?

Steve O.

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Paul Sigmund" <pwsigmund at verizon.net>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list"
<farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:32:27 -0500

>Human interest is what makes this site, and all of life for
>that matter, interesting.  I enjoy this site because it is
>a fraternity of folks with real lives and interests bound
>together by a common hobby.  There are plently of books on
>tractors.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <soffiler at ct.metrocast.net>
>To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list"
><farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com> Sent: Thursday,
>December 27, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate
>mice
>
>
>> And this relates to Farmalls... or any old tractors...
>>HOW? 
>>
>> Steve O.
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: "Bobby Guilbeau" <bguilbea at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "'Farmall/IHC mailing list'"
>> <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:08:43 -0600
>>
>> >James,
>> >
>> >Don't get me wrong I fully agree that something needs to
>> >be done, but when big brother won't allow the smart
>> >management of wildlife, forests, etc troubles will
>> >happen.  The poor deer you guy's are dealing with will
>> >soon be running out of food if they have not already. 
>> >Not to mention how many people have had to die, due to
>> >automobile accidents they have caused.  Just wait until
>> >they become so accustomed to being around houses and get
>> >so hungry that they start forcing their way into
>> >people's homes through doors and windows.
>> >
>> >YES we do need a government, but I think most of you
>> >would agree that it's gotten way out of hand.  "Big
>> >Brother" has just got his hands in too much of our
>> >lives.  Hopefully we will never see the transformation
>> >of our way of life into Socialism, but it is headed that
>> >way isn't it. 
>> >Soap Box off<grin>.
>> >
>> >
>> >I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and will have a
>> >Blessed New year
>> >
>> >Bobby Guilbeau, Ranger
>> >Evangeline Area Council - BSA
>> >1771 Mountain Bayou Road
>> >St. Landry, LA  71367
>> >337-461-2921
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> >[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On
>> >Behalf Of James Moran Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007
>> >4:11 PM To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> >Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>> >
>> >Bobby-
>> >It is a complex problem...
>> >I want to protect my pool....a farmer wants to protect
>> >his fruit trees....a tractor fan wants to protect his
>> >machinery.  All of this in contrast to the natural
>> >desire of indigenous species from doing what THEY want
>> >to do which is, to say, survive.  There is no easy
>> >answer but there are many questions. What best to do, I
>> >do not know. JM
>> >
>> >Bobby Guilbeau <bguilbea at bellsouth.net> wrote: I guess
>> >they don't realize yet that there way of managing
>> >wildlife is hurting the animals more than helping them. 
>> >For some reason today's society has a problem on being
>> >in the middle of the road, your either right or wrong.
>> >
>> >We had a similar problem some years back with squirrel,
>> >the population got so heavy that the older males started
>> >castrating any younger males.  This soon got to the
>> >point that no males in the area were able to reproduce.
>> >After it was all said and done the squirrel population
>> >had all but disappeared.  It was 4 years before we
>> >started seeing any squirrels again. It's a shame they
>> >don't make a live trap big enough so you can catch and
>> >relocate..... 
>> >Bobby Guilbeau, Ranger
>> >Evangeline Area Council - BSA
>> >1771 Mountain Bayou Road
>> >St. Landry, LA  71367
>> >337-461-2921
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> >[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On
>> >Behalf Of James Moran Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007
>> >1:43 PM To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> >Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>> >
>> >Bob and all-
>> >Well, the DEC "agent" came for a visit....nice fellow,
>> >spent an hour or so looking around.  Bottom line, no
>> >liberal nuisance permit.  I got something of what seemed
>> >to be a "canned speech" about excessive deer populations
>> >, suburban sprawl, and so forth.  He suggested that I
>> >(a) increase the height of my pool fence enclosure, (b)
>> >put up "snow fence" perimeter about six feet in parallel
>> >to the permanent fence, (c) mix up a concoction of milk,
>> >egg, and dish washing detergent and spraying about.  If
>> >what I would judge to be a "bad situation" was to come
>> >up again, I would be "justified" in making a kill. 
>> >However, to simply "pop them off" at random would not be
>> >condoned. There it is. JM
>> >
>> >Bob Currie  wrote: What is the DEC?
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "James Moran"
>> >To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list"
>> >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:37 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>> >
>> >
>> >>I already related to member Mike Sloane what happened
>> >>at our house last  week (deer-wise).   Here are the
>> >> broad strokes for the rest of you..... My wife and I
>> >> get up at about 5 AM daily and, of course, it stays
>> >still  quite dark at this time of year (things don't
>> >> brighten up until maybe 7  AM).  We have been having
>> >more deer problems than usual.  Behind our house
>> >
>> >> is an in ground gunite pool which is "closed" with a
>> >> winter cover (some  water from rainfall sits on top of
>> >> it , of course and it is now frozen).  This pool has
>> >> been in place for well over twenty years and it is
>> >enclosed  by a wooden fence that I built all that time
>> >ago.  It consists of "top and
>> >
>> >> bottom" 2x4 horizontal cross member sections secured
>> >> between 4x4 posts,  encased in concrete.  Between the
>> >> horizontal lumber, vertical 1x1 slats  complete the
>> >> enclosure, along with a gate that is chained closed.
>> >Anyway, deer (this year) have been leaping the fence
>> >> (four feet high or a  little more) and getting inside
>> >> of the pool area.  They always came up  close to the
>> >> house and would nibble the plantings my wife had
>> >placed  around the outside of the pool fence, but had
>> >> never venture inside of the  pool area.  I had noticed
>> >> this atypical behavior and had called the DEC  about
>> >> it.  I got some ridiculous "advice" from them over the
>> >> phone, but I  DID report this , as I was concerned
>> > that a deer would step onto the pool surface itself and
>> >> , if things thawed, would break through and cause some
>> >>  serious trouble. On this past Friday, we got us as
>> >usual and my wife left for school around
>> >
>> >> 6:30.  When the sun came up, I looked out of the
>> >window only to see a deer
>> >
>> >> wedged between a fence post and one of the vertical
>> >> slats.  It was  "half-in/half-out" and still very much
>> >> alive.  It was thrashing about and  obviously in
>> >> distress.  I thought about just shooting it (I am NOT
>> >a hunter and do NOT care for venison, BTW), but decided,
>> >rather, to call the
>> >
>> >> DEC.  After about an hour, an officer showed up and we
>> >went back to take a
>> >
>> >> look...he was even considering, maybe, trying to
>> >> "free" the deer (a  "button buck" he told me...about a
>> >> year old).  Upon examination, he chose  to shoot the
>> >> deer and the remains were hauled out to the road where
>> >the  town highway department collect same.  There was
>> >> plenty of damage as a  result of this and why the damn
>> >> deer elected to try to "bust through" the  tight
>> >> confines of the fence , I cannot say. I know that this
>> >> has been a long-winded story.  This day (12/26) some 
>> >> authoritative fellow is going to pay me a visit.  My
>> >goal is a liberal  "nuisance permit" to cull the
>> >> herd(s).  I have friends who hunt and enjoy  the meat.
>> >>  We will see what this guy says. Uggh!
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Al Jones  wrote: Coyotes....
>> >>
>> >> We have em around here John.  Can't tell if they've
>> >> made a dent in the deer population yet, but if we MUST
>> >> have coyotes, I hope they eat all of 'em.  I'm not
>> >> real crazy about the coyotes mind you, but if they'd
>> >eat about half the deer in eastern NC--make that 2/3 of
>> >> them--I could learn to live with them.  Either that,
>> >> or I hope the deer eat all the yuppies' bushes and
>> >> grass in Raleigh, Cary, Chapel Hill, and Charlotte.
>> >>Then maybe the powers that be will start to care....
>> >> Al
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> >> [mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On
>> >> Behalf Of John Hall
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:29 PM
>> >> To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> >> Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>> >>
>> >> What I want is a critter that will take care of the
>> >>deer! 
>> >> John Hall
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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