[Farmall] I hate mice

Wed Dec 26 15:08:43 PST 2007

James,

Don't get me wrong I fully agree that something needs to be done, but when
big brother won't allow the smart management of wildlife, forests, etc
troubles will happen.  The poor deer you guy's are dealing with will soon be
running out of food if they have not already.  Not to mention how many
people have had to die, due to automobile accidents they have caused.  Just
wait until they become so accustomed to being around houses and get so
hungry that they start forcing their way into people's homes through doors
and windows.

YES we do need a government, but I think most of you would agree that it's
gotten way out of hand.  "Big Brother" has just got his hands in too much of
our lives.  Hopefully we will never see the transformation of our way of
life into Socialism, but it is headed that way isn't it.

Soap Box off<grin>.

I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and will have a Blessed New year

Bobby Guilbeau, Ranger
Evangeline Area Council - BSA
1771 Mountain Bayou Road
St. Landry, LA  71367
337-461-2921

-----Original Message-----
From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of James Moran
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:11 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice

Bobby-
It is a complex problem...
I want to protect my pool....a farmer wants to protect his fruit trees....a
tractor fan wants to protect his machinery.  All of this in contrast to the
natural desire of indigenous species from doing what THEY want to do which
is, to say, survive.  There is no easy answer but there are many questions.
What best to do, I do not know.
JM

Bobby Guilbeau <bguilbea at bellsouth.net> wrote: I guess they don't realize
yet that there way of managing wildlife is
hurting the animals more than helping them.  For some reason today's society
has a problem on being in the middle of the road, your either right or
wrong. 

We had a similar problem some years back with squirrel, the population got
so heavy that the older males started castrating any younger males.  This
soon got to the point that no males in the area were able to reproduce.
After it was all said and done the squirrel population had all but
disappeared.  It was 4 years before we started seeing any squirrels again.
It's a shame they don't make a live trap big enough so you can catch and
relocate.....

Bobby Guilbeau, Ranger
Evangeline Area Council - BSA
1771 Mountain Bayou Road
St. Landry, LA  71367
337-461-2921

-----Original Message-----
From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of James Moran
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice

Bob and all-
Well, the DEC "agent" came for a visit....nice fellow, spent an hour or so
looking around.  Bottom line, no liberal nuisance permit.  I got something
of what seemed to be a "canned speech" about excessive deer populations,
suburban sprawl, and so forth.  He suggested that I (a) increase the height
of my pool fence enclosure, (b) put up "snow fence" perimeter about six feet
in parallel to the permanent fence, (c) mix up a concoction of milk, egg,
and dish washing detergent and spraying about.  If what I would judge to be
a "bad situation" was to come up again, I would be "justified" in making a
kill.  However, to simply "pop them off" at random would not be condoned.
There it is.
JM

Bob Currie  wrote: What is the DEC?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" 
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice

>I already related to member Mike Sloane what happened at our house last 
>week (deer-wise).   Here are the broad strokes for the rest of you.....
> My wife and I get up at about 5 AM daily and, of course, it stays still 
> quite dark at this time of year (things don't brighten up until maybe 7 
> AM).  We have been having more deer problems than usual.  Behind our house

> is an in ground gunite pool which is "closed" with a winter cover (some 
> water from rainfall sits on top of it, of course and it is now frozen). 
> This pool has been in place for well over twenty years and it is enclosed 
> by a wooden fence that I built all that time ago.  It consists of "top and

> bottom" 2x4 horizontal cross member sections secured between 4x4 posts, 
> encased in concrete.  Between the horizontal lumber, vertical 1x1 slats 
> complete the enclosure, along with a gate that is chained closed.
> Anyway, deer (this year) have been leaping the fence (four feet high or a 
> little more) and getting inside of the pool area.  They always came up 
> close to the house and would nibble the plantings my wife had placed 
> around the outside of the pool fence, but had never venture inside of the 
> pool area.  I had noticed this atypical behavior and had called the DEC 
> about it.  I got some ridiculous "advice" from them over the phone, but I 
> DID report this, as I was concerned that a deer would step onto the pool 
> surface itself and, if things thawed, would break through and cause some 
> serious trouble.
> On this past Friday, we got us as usual and my wife left for school around

> 6:30.  When the sun came up, I looked out of the window only to see a deer

> wedged between a fence post and one of the vertical slats.  It was 
> "half-in/half-out" and still very much alive.  It was thrashing about and 
> obviously in distress.  I thought about just shooting it (I am NOT a 
> hunter and do NOT care for venison, BTW), but decided, rather, to call the

> DEC.  After about an hour, an officer showed up and we went back to take a

> look...he was even considering, maybe, trying to "free" the deer (a 
> "button buck" he told me...about a year old).  Upon examination, he chose 
> to shoot the deer and the remains were hauled out to the road where the 
> town highway department collect same.  There was plenty of damage as a 
> result of this and why the damn deer elected to try to "bust through" the 
> tight confines of the fence, I cannot say.
> I know that this has been a long-winded story.  This day (12/26) some 
> authoritative fellow is going to pay me a visit.  My goal is a liberal 
> "nuisance permit" to cull the herd(s).  I have friends who hunt and enjoy 
> the meat.  We will see what this guy says.
> Uggh!
> Jim
>
>
> Al Jones  wrote: Coyotes....
>
> We have em around here John.  Can't tell if they've made a dent in the
> deer population yet, but if we MUST have coyotes, I hope they eat all of
> 'em.  I'm not real crazy about the coyotes mind you, but if they'd eat
> about half the deer in eastern NC--make that 2/3 of them--I could learn
> to live with them.  Either that, or I hope the deer eat all the yuppies'
> bushes and grass in Raleigh, Cary, Chapel Hill, and Charlotte. Then
> maybe the powers that be will start to care....
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John
> Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 9:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Farmall] I hate mice
>
> What I want is a critter that will take care of the deer!
>
> John Hall
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