[AT] Was: Super A waterpump; Now: Cores

[Steve W.]

I can tell you from personal experience that the cores get rebuilt IF 
they are usable. Cardone has been doing it for 35 years  and there are a 
LOT of others as well. Take a look at http://www.apra.org/ for a sample.
The core charges on "new" parts are because of a few things
1. it is easier and cheaper to reuse the non wearing parts over in many 
items than it is to make new ones. In an alternator for instance the 
rotor, and housing don't see much wear, Replace the bearings test the 
windings and replace the diode pack, brushes and regulator and your 
done. Test it and ship it out. Water pumps: pull the shaft, replace the 
impeller and the bearings and the seal and true up the flanges and your 
done. The pump body is usually fine unless you manage to break it. I 
have helped out in a shop that did alternator rebuilds for a parts 
chain. The routine there was to bead blast the housing, dip it in 
sealer, replace the failed parts, bearings and brushes, test the unit 
and send it out.
2. There are more than a few instances of parts no longer being 
available and a reman is the only option, cores are worth a lot in that 
instance.
3. Less trash in the system from folks tossing the old parts in the 
local trash, as well as lower costs on many parts due to the reman system.




Mike Sloane wrote:
> I agree with Larry. When I worked for a New Holland tractor/equipment 
> dealer, we saved up ALL of our cores (generators, starters, injection 
> pumps, etc., except engines) and shipped them back for credit when we 
> got a pallet load. Engine cores were returned as soon as the old one was 
> removed and stripped of the re-used components. We always bought 
> complete engines, as it was cheaper for the customer in the long run 
> than buying long/short blocks and spending labor hours on moving the old 
> stuff over. This was especially true of skid steer engines. Some owners 
> purchased long/short blocks and did their own work, so we always had a 
> few of them around for sale. But their cores were sent back to Jasper too.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Larry D Goss wrote:
>> Humm.  Then where does Jasper Engines & Transmissions get their rebuildable 
>> equipment?  And how come store clerks inspect brake shoes to make sure they 
>> haven't been scored  by the drums because of wearing through the lining?
>>
>> The last time I toured Jasper Engine, there were a couple of pretty 
>> good-sized rooms devoted to nothing but disassembly of trade-in engines and 
>> transmissions.
>>
>> On some of the Yahoo tractor lists, there are service companies soliciting 
>> carburetors to be rebuilt regardless of condition.  Dealerships that do 
>> warrantee service have the obligation to the manufacturer to collect, tag, 
>> and retain the core in case the company needs to inspect it to determine why 
>> it failed or if something happened to the part or assembly because of the 
>> owner's misuse.  I have personally witnessed Bush Hog having the frame for 
>> an 8-foot rear blade returned to the factory for inspection because it 
>> appeared to be welded crooked, and Briggs & Stratton had us send back a 
>> 22-horse V-twin engine (the whole engine) after five years of fussing with 
>> it under warrantee servicing to get it to stop blowing white smoke.
>>
>> JM2CW.  YMMV.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "CRAWLER HEAVEN" <edc at crawlerheaven.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] List member/Super A waterpump
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you buy a new part and they want a core it is not for rebuilding It 
>>> will
>>> go in the dumpster or scrap just to get rid or the core . NO one that
>>> manufactures a waterpump or starter or alternator or anything has any
>>> interest in rebulding or seeing anyone else rebuild they just want the 
>>> core
>>> out of circulation.
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Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York