[AT] Generator--doing funny things

Sat Jun 17 13:12:10 PDT 2006

Most pre-WWII cars do well, provided they are in good tune, on emission
tests.  My understanding is that when high compression motors were built
post WWII, the high compression combustion process is what creates the nasty
compounds that the emission tests don't like.

Jason
Eagan, MN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Stewart" <edstewart1 at verizon.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Generator--doing funny things

> Good morning, I myself would be happy to have a Model A ford for 
> transportation. We were just talking at the Coolsprings engine museum show 
> yesterday about a test done and shown on tv on a new car with all the 
> electronic junk and a well tuned Model A Ford, the Ford did better on the 
> emissions test.  Ed
>
> charlie hill wrote:
>> Larry,  our grandfathers and great grandfathers thought the same thing 
>> about our  old tractors when they were new and replaced the horses. 
>> Personally I like both the old technology and the new.
>> A friend of mine recently got re-married to a guy that tends 3500 acres 
>> of cotton.
>>
>> She was telling me about bedding up rows.   I quized her because I knew 
>> that level of tractor operation was above what she knew how to do.  Then 
>> she explained that it was the new tractor with the GPS system.  Seems it 
>> has all the fields they farm mapped into it.  All she has to do is drive 
>> the tractor in the field and line it up with the line on the display. 
>> Then it takes over and she get's to turn it around at the other end of 
>> the field. Apparently the  thing never varies more than a inch from one 
>> end of the field to the other.
>>
>> I don't know about you but  I never ran a row that straight.  grins.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Goss" 
>> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 12:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [AT] Generator--doing funny things
>>
>>
>>> Well, that too, Steve, but if you'll pardon the 16-cylinder wording--
>>> there's been a paradigm shift in how all machines are controlled.  These
>>> old farm tractors that we work with were controlled with linkages,
>>> gears, wheels, and handles.  Today's monster machines are miracles of
>>> electronically controlled hydraulic systems with up to seven pre-sets on
>>> the lift system so you can "hitch and go" to instantaneously change over
>>> from one attachment to another in a minimum of time.  An operator can
>>> have his fields analyzed as he drives through them and have weed or
>>> insect infestations recorded by GPS and treated automatically the next
>>> time he drives by.
>>>
>>> And it's just as bad or worse in any other field you want to look at.
>>> We can't do anything anymore without putting a microprocessor or two
>>> inside it.
>>>
>>> I'd better stop before this goes from being a commentary to a soap box.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
>>> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:47 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Generator--doing funny things
>>>
>>> So your saying that most of todays engineers like things that are
>>> silicone "enhanced"...
>>>
>>> Steve Williams
>>> Near Cooperstown, New York
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Goss" 
>>> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:27 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [AT] Generator--doing funny things
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is more talk about EE machinery than I've seen in better than 20
>>>> years.  The next thing you know somebody will start talking about
>>> shaded
>>>> poles, hysteresis, and all that other jazz.  In some respects it's
>>> very
>>>> refreshing to know that there are still some engineers out there who
>>> can
>>>> work with things that not controlled with silicon chips.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Thomas O.
>>>> Mehrkam
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:56 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Generator--doing funny things
>>>>
>>>> I think you are saying the same thing he is.
>>>>
>>>> Clock motors have little load and are designed so there is no
>>> slippage.
>>>>
>>>> Motors have some slippage and run at a slightly slower speed.
>>>>
>>>>  From another EE. This group is infested with then. :-}
>>>>
>>>> charlie hill wrote:
>>>> > Will,  I guess I'm stupid to be arguing with an EE but I thought the
>>>> RPM
>>>> > of electric generators was to control the frequency.  Most stuff
>>> runs
>>>> at
>>>> > 60 HZ. 3600 rpm / 60 sec/min corresponds to 60 Hz in the case of a 2
>>>> > pole generator.  Other wise our old style clocks wouldn't be right
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> > our TV pictures would  look funny.   Am I wrong about that?
>>>> >
>>>> > Charlie
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bustedtractor at aol.com>
>>>> > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:19 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Generator--doing funny things
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> The RPMs for a generator will usually be either 3600 or 1800. A
>>>> 2-pole
>>>> >> generator operates at 3600 RPMs, while a 4-pole generator will run
>>> at
>>>>
>>>> >> 1800 RPMs.
>>>> >> There is the possibility of a 6-pole unit in which case the RPMs
>>>> would be
>>>> >> 1200. These RPM numbers are governed by the laws of physics and
>>> also
>>>> >> represent
>>>> >> the nominal speeds that a electric motors will run at. The actual
>>>> >> operating
>>>> >> speeds for motors are slightly less due to slip. Electric motors
>>>> >> typically run
>>>> >> at 3450, 1725, and 1150 RPMs based on their design and
>>> construction.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I just retired from electrical engineering 2 weeks ago and now I
>>> have
>>>> a
>>>> >> number of tractors that are begging for my full-time attention.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Will in MN
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