[Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting

Wed Jul 26 09:41:29 PDT 2006

Lyle,  I have both in town.  Got the coil at Case-IH and will try them
first.  Thanks

Larry

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[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Lyle Myles
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:33 AM
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Subject: RE: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting

I do not know if you have stores like Auto Zone or NAPA in your area but
they should have the equipment to check the coil. Any yes a new coil can be
bad as with any electrical parts.

Lyle Myles

May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!

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[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Hardesty
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:35 AM
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Subject: RE: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting

George,  I put a new coil on.  However, no spark to the points.  I took the
wire off from the coil to the distributor and flashed it to ground.  No
spark.  I checked and run a wire from the negative to positive side of input
to the coil and got a spark.  So I have spark going into the coil.  Now it
is a new coil.

Also, I connected battery cables from the battery to the positive and
negative side of the coil and got some spark.  So some voltage going through
the coil, but I would say not much.  I did this with the coil I took off and
got the same.  

Can a new coil be bad; or would there be something happening to make a new
coil go bad?  Got me baffled

Thanks for the help.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of George
Willer
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:21 AM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting

Larry,

It isn't necessary to crank the engine... just open and close the points
manually.  (the points should spark slightly) If that doesn't get a spark
remove the wire from the coil at the distributor and flash it to ground.  It
should have an output spark each time it is flashed.  If you don't get a
good secondary spark then the coil is bad or there is no voltage to the
coil.

George Willer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Hardesty" <ebony51 at frontiernet.net>
To: "'Farmall/IHC mailing list'" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting

> George,  I am not getting a spark from the coil to the distributor.  I
> pulled the wire off the distributor that comes from the coil. The put the
> end pulled from the distributor near the frame of the tractor. I then
> cranked the tractor and no spark.  I put it near where the ground
(positive)
> wire goes into the distributor. Cranked the tractor and no spark.  It is a
> new coil.
>
> I am puzzled.
>
> Thanks
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of George
> Willer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:31 PM
> To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting
>
> Larry,
>
> How the voltage responds to your test is dependent on whether the points
are
> open or closed.  The "pretty good spark" you get is an indication the
points
> are closed at that moment.  You can open and close the points with a
> screwdriver to see if you can get spark from the coil.  You should be able
> to.
>
> George Willer
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Hardesty" <ebony51 at frontiernet.net>
> To: "'Farmall/IHC mailing list'" <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting
>
>
> > Dan,  Boy this sure has me baffled.  I just spent another 90 minutes
> working
> > with it.  I get voltage to the new coil.  In fact, it seems I get a
pretty
> > good spark when I run a wire across from positive to negative on the
coil
> > and just touch it.
> >
> > I have an IH Blue Ribbon Manual on the electrical for the 340, 460, and
> 560.
> > One of things it suggests is disconnecting the wires from the coil and
> > connecting jumper cables from the battery and see if I get a spark from
on
> > to the other (I assume to see if the electricity runs through the coil).
> > Well, I did get a spark, but not nearly the spark running a wire from
the
> > positive to negative of the coil with the wires connected.  Really not
> much
> > different than from the old coil when I tried it with it.  Should I be
> > getting more of spark?  Is it possible (would seem unlikely) to get a
> faulty
> > new coil and is there a way to test a coil.
> >
> > I looked through wiring, disconnected connections and cleaned them, etc.
> and
> > etc., but could not find a short.  Now it could be hidden in wiring.  No
> > sign of short in the distributor.  Obviously it has to be something.
> >
> > Any further ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:farmall-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of DANNY MC
> FEE
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:03 AM
> > To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Farmall] Farmall 340 Not starting
> >
> > Larry
> >    I have seen it here before and you will hear it again from others
> >   1. check the grounds
> >   2. check the grounds
> >   3. check the gounds
> >   4. on my H some of the time the power cable is the issue.  make sure
> that
> > all the connections are clean and tight. you need the voltage but also a
> > good solid path for current. carefully see if any connection feels hot
> after
> > you try to start up.
> >   5. look for a short.
> >
> >   Good luck
> >   Dan
> >
> >
> > Larry Hardesty <ebony51 at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Folks, Late last week I went out to start my Farmall 340. It fired right
> > up and ran maybe three or four minutes and then died suddenly like the
> > switch had been turned off. Tried starting it again and nothing..no
> sputter
> > or single fire or anything like it was a gas problem.
> >
> > So I started going down the path of looking for an electrical problem.
> > Checked and with the switch on I am getting voltage to the coil but
> nothing
> > coming out. I pulled the main wire coming out of the coil and put it
near
> > the frame and no sparks when cranking over the tractor. Points looked a
> > little pitted. So I replaced the condenser and points. Still nothing. No
> > juice coming out of the coil when main wire near frame.
> >
> > So yesterday I replaced the coil. Still no juice coming out of the coil
> > when I put the main wire coil near frame. With switched turned on I do
get
> > voltage to the coil.
> >
> > What is next?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Larry Hardesty
> > Kearney, Nebraska
> >
> >
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> > <div>Larry</div>  <div> I have seen it here before and you will
hear
> it
> > again from others</div>  <div>1. check the grounds</div>  <div>2. check
> the
> > grounds</div>  <div>3. check the gounds</div>  <div>4. on my H some of
the
> > time the power cable is the issue.  make sure that all the
> connections
> > are clean and tight. you need the voltage but also a good solid path for
> > current. carefully see if any connection feels hot after you try to
start
> > up. </div>  <div>5. look for a short. </div>  <div> </div>
<div>Good
> > luck</div>  <div>Dan</div>  <div><BR><BR><B><I>Larry Hardesty
> > <ebony51 at frontiernet.net></I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE
> > class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> > #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><BR>Folks, Late last week I went out to start my
> > Farmall 340. It fired right<BR>up and ran maybe three or four minutes
and
> > then died suddenly like the<BR>switch had been turned off. Tried
starting
> it
> > again and nothing..no sputter<BR>or
> >  single fire or anything like it was a gas problem. <BR><BR>So I started
> > going down the path of looking for an electrical problem.<BR>Checked and
> > with the switch on I am getting voltage to the coil but
nothing<BR>coming
> > out. I pulled the main wire coming out of the coil and put it
near<BR>the
> > frame and no sparks when cranking over the tractor. Points looked
> > a<BR>little pitted. So I replaced the condenser and points. Still
nothing.
> > No<BR>juice coming out of the coil when main wire near frame.<BR><BR>So
> > yesterday I replaced the coil. Still no juice coming out of the
> coil<BR>when
> > I put the main wire coil near frame. With switched turned on I do
> > get<BR>voltage to the coil.<BR><BR>What is
> next?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Larry
> > Hardesty<BR>Kearney, Nebraska
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