[AJD] corks

Fri Jan 13 18:01:08 PST 2006

Dean: Ridged was a typo. I meant to say that they were right hand thread on 
both ends.

Bruce Mahr

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] corks

> Bruce:
>
> I just went out and checked some original JD studs and you are correct.  I
> purchased some longer 5/8" studs from a local nut and bolt supplier that 
> the
> ridge is actually bigger in diameter than the stud. I have wondered at 
> times
> if this ridge is there for installing the stud initially using a vise grip
> or small pipe wrench. It provides a place for the wrench to grab onto w/o
> ruining the adjacent threads.
>
> I'm not sure I connect though with the unthreaded part being ridged. Most 
> of
> those I have here are smooth.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
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>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Mahr
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] corks
>
> The studs are exactly ridged. They are threaded from both ends and the 
> part
> not threaded is the original diameter of the round rod and gives a ridged
> appearance.
> Automotive stores carry studs such as these, used for exhaust manifold and
> down pipe applications.
> If a guy were to make his own from redi-rod, he would want to be sure to 
> use
>
> the grade 5 or 8 style if he were going to actually use them to mount
> implements on, unless he was just putting them on for looks.
>
> Bruce Mahr
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
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> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>
>
>> Sounds like one could fabricate the studs with threaded rod and welding a
>> little bead around them at the right spot.  Although, with all the 
>> salvage
>> tractors around and the fact (I think) that these are all the same, there
>> should be an ample supply of the real thing.  I have a bin where I've 
>> been
>> pitching mine, have no recollection where most of them came from.  And
>> they
>> are on eBay all the time.
>>
>> B²
>>
>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>
>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dean VP
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:49 AM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> Ok, we are off and running. Way back when I got my first H, which seems
>> like
>> a 100 years ago now, I had a local shop fabricate a plate with two holes
>> for
>> the bottom two hex nut/studs on the H and then had them weld a sleeve for
>> a
>> D ring to hang in. I use that for chaining down on the trailer. I liked 
>> it
>> so much I had another made for the wider bolt hole pattern tractors as
>> well.
>> I didn't have my welder yet when I was doing this.
>>
>> However, now for the heavier tractors I have gone to heavy hooks bolted
>> under the front of the frame and chained toward the middle from the front
>> and from the rear with a clevis in the front hole of the drawbar. I like
>> the
>> inward chain method much better and it is almost required when multiple
>> tractors are hauled at the same time. I think it is much safer too.
>>
>> A lot of guys use the cultivator quick attach plate on the bottom front
>> two
>> studs and then drill a hole in the front edge of the slip plate using a
>> clevis on it. I have a couple of those plates but I don't particularly
>> like
>> the looks of them on a tractor at a show. When I was on the farm every
>> tractor had one of these with the hole drilled in them. Really worked 
>> good
>> for backing wagons into tight places. I know as I age I can't see behind
>> me
>> nearly as well so if I had to do a lot of stuff like that, my cultivator
>> plates would get mounted quite quickly I think.
>>
>> I haven't spent a lot of time trying to find new studs for the hex nuts
>> since I have so many used ones available now but as I recall the threaded
>> studs that JD used are slightly different than what we can buy today. As 
>> I
>> recall they were threaded on way with a ridge and then threaded the other
>> way. The threaded portion that goes into the axle housing or pedestal is
>> shorter than the other end. I'm sure the ridge was there to keep us from
>> driving the threads in to far into the casting. I haven't purchased
>> aftermarket studs for a long time but as I recall they have equal amount
>> of
>> threads at each end and the bulge isn't nearly as pronounced. I do know
>> they
>> are a bit pricey.
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bill Brueck
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 AM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>
>> Well, duh, I hadn't thought of looking at the axle housing assembly
>> pictures.  I was trying to find pictures of tractors and wasn't finding
>> the
>> right shots to tell.  That's pretty definitive, and the front pedestal
>> shows
>> the same level of specificity, consistent with your words below.  I'm
>> going
>> to screw the 3 studs into each side on the back of the axle and find nuts
>> to
>> put on them.
>>
>> I did compromise on the front pedestal with my project.  Bought one of
>> those
>> front hitch plates and put it on there.  I though this would make a good
>> place to hook a chain without skinning up the paint when I haul it on a
>> trailer.
>>
>> I think you're right about the acorn nut definition.  I was picking up on
>> what I see used when these are sold on eBay.
>>
>> B²
>>
>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>
>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dean VP
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:00 AM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> An interesting question and the answer I think is very tractor model
>> dependent. For example, I looked at the H rear axle housing in the Parts
>> Catalog. It shows that three hex nuts and studs were used on each axle
>> housing, but only only on the rear and their position is detailed. None
>> are
>> shown on the front of the axle housing in the PC illustration.
>>
>> My guess is that "how many were used" could be figured out from each 
>> Parts
>> Catalog.  Now as far as the H front ones go, as I recall the top two on 
>> my
>> two H's had 5/8" cap screws in them and the bottom two had the same hex
>> nuts
>> and studs. The Parts Catalog illustration verifies that. However, I am
>> unable to physically and quickly go look at them since they are at 
>> another
>> location.
>>
>> I don't know if they were added at the factory or at the dealer but my
>> guess
>> would be they were installed at the factory.
>>
>> Have you noticed that there is a US seller selling new reproduction hex
>> nuts
>> on eBay?  $2.00 ea.  Over the years I have gathered up several whenever I
>> found used ones at swap meets etc, and would buy them if I could get them
>> for less than $2.00 each.  JD's price for new ones used to be something
>> like
>> $7 to $9.00 a piece. Now I just noticed they are $3.20 ea.  Wow, one of
>> JD's
>> part numbers went down in cost. What is the world coming too? I wonder if
>> they still look like the originals.
>>
>> I haven't seen these new eBay reproduction versions so I don't know how
>> well
>> they emulate the original but I do know there are at least two different
>> versions of the hex nuts. I suspect the part number didn't change when 
>> the
>> physical dimensions of the hex nut changed.
>>
>> Your nomenclature, calling these nuts, Acorn nuts is quite common and I
>> have
>> seen this term used quite often. However, I have always thought acorn 
>> nuts
>> were rounded on top and enclosed such as those used on many, but not all,
>> of
>> the tappet covers on the two cylinder tractors. JD, in their Parts
>> Catalogs,
>> calls them (Special) Hex Nuts. So much for trivia!  :-)
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bill Brueck
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:26 AM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>
>> Good source, I will be giving them a call.
>>
>> When these tractors came off the line, were the studs and acorn nuts in
>> place on the axels or where they delivered in a bag or in the tool box or
>> something?  If in place, was there a consistent pattern of how many and
>> which holes?  How about the font pedestal holes as well?
>>
>> For restoration I'd kind of like to just leave them off, they are just
>> places for people to get bruised and for clothing to catch.
>>
>> B²
>>
>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>
>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> wwwayne johnson
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:36 PM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: [AJD] corks
>>
>> For those of you that want to plug up your bolt holes as JD did, American
>> Science and Surplus, Ph 888-724-7587has a package 20 for $2.00 PN 23594.
>> 9/16 bottom. 11/16 top, 7/8 long.
>> Merle Wayne
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