[AJD] Re: AXLE STUD AND NUT PRICES

greg at theoldtractorcompany.com greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
Fri Jan 13 13:23:18 PST 2006 

Oh Duane...you should just SEE the geography less I get anymore...
China, Israel, Turkey, and more....
Global economy here we come!
Greg


Greg Stephen
The Old Tractor Company
Stephen Equipment Company
PO Box 709
Franktown, CO 80116
303-663-5246
303-468-0377 FAX<<--GREAT WAY TO REACH ME!

On Fri Jan 13 13:35 , 'Duane Larson' <jdlarson at comcast.net> sent:

>Greg,
>I suspect the price drops we see are related to transition of manufacturing 
>to China.  The last JD7654 governor bearings I bought a month or so ago had 
>Made In USA on two and Made in China on the other two.
>Regards,
>Duane
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: greg at theoldtractorcompany.com>
>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:10 PM
>Subject: [AJD] Re: AXLE STUD AND NUT PRICES
>
>
>> Current JD pricing
>> A5292R stud-$3.55
>> A1892R barrel nut-$3.20
>>
>> As Dean mentioned, these prices have come down a looong way. Some other 
>> items appear
>> to have dropped in price too so perhaps there's a glimmer of hope yet left
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> Greg Stephen
>> The Old Tractor Company
>> Stephen Equipment Company
>> PO Box 709
>> Franktown, CO 80116
>> 303-663-5246
>> 303-468-0377 FAX
>>
>> On Fri Jan 13 11:22 , Bruce Mahr martian at winco.net> sent:
>>
>>>The studs are exactly ridged. They are threaded from both ends and the 
>>>part
>>>not threaded is the original diameter of the round rod and gives a ridged
>>>appearance.
>>>Automotive stores carry studs such as these, used for exhaust manifold and
>>>down pipe applications.
>>>If a guy were to make his own from redi-rod, he would want to be sure to 
>>>use
>>>the grade 5 or 8 style if he were going to actually use them to mount
>>>implements on, unless he was just putting them on for looks.
>>>
>>>Bruce Mahr
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Bill Brueck" b2 at chooka.net>
>>>To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>>>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:40 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sounds like one could fabricate the studs with threaded rod and welding 
>>>> a
>>>> little bead around them at the right spot.  Although, with all the 
>>>> salvage
>>>> tractors around and the fact (I think) that these are all the same, 
>>>> there
>>>> should be an ample supply of the real thing.  I have a bin where I've 
>>>> been
>>>> pitching mine, have no recollection where most of them came from.  And
>>>> they
>>>> are on eBay all the time.
>>>>
>>>> B²
>>>>
>>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>>
>>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
johndeere-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Dean VP
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:49 AM
>>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>>
>>>> Bill:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, we are off and running. Way back when I got my first H, which seems
>>>> like
>>>> a 100 years ago now, I had a local shop fabricate a plate with two holes
>>>> for
>>>> the bottom two hex nut/studs on the H and then had them weld a sleeve 
>>>> for
>>>> a
>>>> D ring to hang in. I use that for chaining down on the trailer. I liked 
>>>> it
>>>> so much I had another made for the wider bolt hole pattern tractors as
>>>> well.
>>>> I didn't have my welder yet when I was doing this.
>>>>
>>>> However, now for the heavier tractors I have gone to heavy hooks bolted
>>>> under the front of the frame and chained toward the middle from the 
>>>> front
>>>> and from the rear with a clevis in the front hole of the drawbar. I like
>>>> the
>>>> inward chain method much better and it is almost required when multiple
>>>> tractors are hauled at the same time. I think it is much safer too.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of guys use the cultivator quick attach plate on the bottom front
>>>> two
>>>> studs and then drill a hole in the front edge of the slip plate using a
>>>> clevis on it. I have a couple of those plates but I don't particularly
>>>> like
>>>> the looks of them on a tractor at a show. When I was on the farm every
>>>> tractor had one of these with the hole drilled in them. Really worked 
>>>> good
>>>> for backing wagons into tight places. I know as I age I can't see behind
>>>> me
>>>> nearly as well so if I had to do a lot of stuff like that, my cultivator
>>>> plates would get mounted quite quickly I think.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't spent a lot of time trying to find new studs for the hex nuts
>>>> since I have so many used ones available now but as I recall the 
>>>> threaded
>>>> studs that JD used are slightly different than what we can buy today. As 
>>>> I
>>>> recall they were threaded on way with a ridge and then threaded the 
>>>> other
>>>> way. The threaded portion that goes into the axle housing or pedestal is
>>>> shorter than the other end. I'm sure the ridge was there to keep us from
>>>> driving the threads in to far into the casting. I haven't purchased
>>>> aftermarket studs for a long time but as I recall they have equal amount
>>>> of
>>>> threads at each end and the bulge isn't nearly as pronounced. I do know
>>>> they
>>>> are a bit pricey.
>>>>
>>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>>
>>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>>
>>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
johndeere-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Bill Brueck
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 AM
>>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>>
>>>> Well, duh, I hadn't thought of looking at the axle housing assembly
>>>> pictures.  I was trying to find pictures of tractors and wasn't finding
>>>> the
>>>> right shots to tell.  That's pretty definitive, and the front pedestal
>>>> shows
>>>> the same level of specificity, consistent with your words below.  I'm
>>>> going
>>>> to screw the 3 studs into each side on the back of the axle and find 
>>>> nuts
>>>> to
>>>> put on them.
>>>>
>>>> I did compromise on the front pedestal with my project.  Bought one of
>>>> those
>>>> front hitch plates and put it on there.  I though this would make a good
>>>> place to hook a chain without skinning up the paint when I haul it on a
>>>> trailer.
>>>>
>>>> I think you're right about the acorn nut definition.  I was picking up 
>>>> on
>>>> what I see used when these are sold on eBay.
>>>>
>>>> B²
>>>>
>>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>>
>>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
johndeere-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Dean VP
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:00 AM
>>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>>
>>>> Bill:
>>>>
>>>> An interesting question and the answer I think is very tractor model
>>>> dependent. For example, I looked at the H rear axle housing in the Parts
>>>> Catalog. It shows that three hex nuts and studs were used on each axle
>>>> housing, but only only on the rear and their position is detailed. None
>>>> are
>>>> shown on the front of the axle housing in the PC illustration.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that "how many were used" could be figured out from each 
>>>> Parts
>>>> Catalog.  Now as far as the H front ones go, as I recall the top two on 
>>>> my
>>>> two H's had 5/8" cap screws in them and the bottom two had the same hex
>>>> nuts
>>>> and studs. The Parts Catalog illustration verifies that. However, I am
>>>> unable to physically and quickly go look at them since they are at 
>>>> another
>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if they were added at the factory or at the dealer but my
>>>> guess
>>>> would be they were installed at the factory.
>>>>
>>>> Have you noticed that there is a US seller selling new reproduction hex
>>>> nuts
>>>> on eBay?  $2.00 ea.  Over the years I have gathered up several whenever 
>>>> I
>>>> found used ones at swap meets etc, and would buy them if I could get 
>>>> them
>>>> for less than $2.00 each.  JD's price for new ones used to be something
>>>> like
>>>> $7 to $9.00 a piece. Now I just noticed they are $3.20 ea.  Wow, one of
>>>> JD's
>>>> part numbers went down in cost. What is the world coming too? I wonder 
>>>> if
>>>> they still look like the originals.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen these new eBay reproduction versions so I don't know how
>>>> well
>>>> they emulate the original but I do know there are at least two different
>>>> versions of the hex nuts. I suspect the part number didn't change when 
>>>> the
>>>> physical dimensions of the hex nut changed.
>>>>
>>>> Your nomenclature, calling these nuts, Acorn nuts is quite common and I
>>>> have
>>>> seen this term used quite often. However, I have always thought acorn 
>>>> nuts
>>>> were rounded on top and enclosed such as those used on many, but not 
>>>> all,
>>>> of
>>>> the tappet covers on the two cylinder tractors. JD, in their Parts
>>>> Catalogs,
>>>> calls them (Special) Hex Nuts. So much for trivia!  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>>
>>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>>
>>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
johndeere-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Bill Brueck
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:26 AM
>>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>>
>>>> Good source, I will be giving them a call.
>>>>
>>>> When these tractors came off the line, were the studs and acorn nuts in
>>>> place on the axels or where they delivered in a bag or in the tool box 
>>>> or
>>>> something?  If in place, was there a consistent pattern of how many and
>>>> which holes?  How about the font pedestal holes as well?
>>>>
>>>> For restoration I'd kind of like to just leave them off, they are just
>>>> places for people to get bruised and for clothing to catch.
>>>>
>>>> B²
>>>>
>>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>>
>>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
johndeere-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> wwwayne johnson
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:36 PM
>>>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>>> Subject: [AJD] corks
>>>>
>>>> For those of you that want to plug up your bolt holes as JD did, 
>>>> American
>>>> Science and Surplus, Ph 888-724-7587has a package 20 for $2.00 PN 23594.
>>>> 9/16 bottom. 11/16 top, 7/8 long.
>>>> Merle Wayne
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