[AJD] Re: AXLE STUD AND NUT PRICES

Dean VP deanvp at att.net
Fri Jan 13 12:55:40 PST 2006 

Duane:

Look a little closer, that is USA, China!  :-)

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Larson
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:36 PM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] Re: AXLE STUD AND NUT PRICES

Greg,
I suspect the price drops we see are related to transition of manufacturing 
to China.  The last JD7654 governor bearings I bought a month or so ago had 
Made In USA on two and Made in China on the other two.
Regards,
Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greg at theoldtractorcompany.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: [AJD] Re: AXLE STUD AND NUT PRICES


> Current JD pricing
> A5292R stud-$3.55
> A1892R barrel nut-$3.20
>
> As Dean mentioned, these prices have come down a looong way. Some other 
> items appear
> to have dropped in price too so perhaps there's a glimmer of hope yet left
>
> Greg
>
>
> Greg Stephen
> The Old Tractor Company
> Stephen Equipment Company
> PO Box 709
> Franktown, CO 80116
> 303-663-5246
> 303-468-0377 FAX<<--GREAT WAY TO REACH ME!
>
> On Fri Jan 13 11:22 , Bruce Mahr <martian at winco.net> sent:
>
>>The studs are exactly ridged. They are threaded from both ends and the 
>>part
>>not threaded is the original diameter of the round rod and gives a ridged
>>appearance.
>>Automotive stores carry studs such as these, used for exhaust manifold and
>>down pipe applications.
>>If a guy were to make his own from redi-rod, he would want to be sure to 
>>use
>>the grade 5 or 8 style if he were going to actually use them to mount
>>implements on, unless he was just putting them on for looks.
>>
>>Bruce Mahr
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Bill Brueck" b2 at chooka.net>
>>To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
>>antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:40 AM
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>
>>
>>> Sounds like one could fabricate the studs with threaded rod and welding 
>>> a
>>> little bead around them at the right spot.  Although, with all the 
>>> salvage
>>> tractors around and the fact (I think) that these are all the same, 
>>> there
>>> should be an ample supply of the real thing.  I have a bin where I've 
>>> been
>>> pitching mine, have no recollection where most of them came from.  And
>>> they
>>> are on eBay all the time.
>>>
>>> B²
>>>
>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>
>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-joh
ndeere-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Dean VP
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:49 AM
>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>> Bill:
>>>
>>> Ok, we are off and running. Way back when I got my first H, which seems
>>> like
>>> a 100 years ago now, I had a local shop fabricate a plate with two holes
>>> for
>>> the bottom two hex nut/studs on the H and then had them weld a sleeve 
>>> for
>>> a
>>> D ring to hang in. I use that for chaining down on the trailer. I liked 
>>> it
>>> so much I had another made for the wider bolt hole pattern tractors as
>>> well.
>>> I didn't have my welder yet when I was doing this.
>>>
>>> However, now for the heavier tractors I have gone to heavy hooks bolted
>>> under the front of the frame and chained toward the middle from the 
>>> front
>>> and from the rear with a clevis in the front hole of the drawbar. I like
>>> the
>>> inward chain method much better and it is almost required when multiple
>>> tractors are hauled at the same time. I think it is much safer too.
>>>
>>> A lot of guys use the cultivator quick attach plate on the bottom front
>>> two
>>> studs and then drill a hole in the front edge of the slip plate using a
>>> clevis on it. I have a couple of those plates but I don't particularly
>>> like
>>> the looks of them on a tractor at a show. When I was on the farm every
>>> tractor had one of these with the hole drilled in them. Really worked 
>>> good
>>> for backing wagons into tight places. I know as I age I can't see behind
>>> me
>>> nearly as well so if I had to do a lot of stuff like that, my cultivator
>>> plates would get mounted quite quickly I think.
>>>
>>> I haven't spent a lot of time trying to find new studs for the hex nuts
>>> since I have so many used ones available now but as I recall the 
>>> threaded
>>> studs that JD used are slightly different than what we can buy today. As

>>> I
>>> recall they were threaded on way with a ridge and then threaded the 
>>> other
>>> way. The threaded portion that goes into the axle housing or pedestal is
>>> shorter than the other end. I'm sure the ridge was there to keep us from
>>> driving the threads in to far into the casting. I haven't purchased
>>> aftermarket studs for a long time but as I recall they have equal amount
>>> of
>>> threads at each end and the bulge isn't nearly as pronounced. I do know
>>> they
>>> are a bit pricey.
>>>
>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>
>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-joh
ndeere-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Bill Brueck
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 7:50 AM
>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>> Well, duh, I hadn't thought of looking at the axle housing assembly
>>> pictures.  I was trying to find pictures of tractors and wasn't finding
>>> the
>>> right shots to tell.  That's pretty definitive, and the front pedestal
>>> shows
>>> the same level of specificity, consistent with your words below.  I'm
>>> going
>>> to screw the 3 studs into each side on the back of the axle and find 
>>> nuts
>>> to
>>> put on them.
>>>
>>> I did compromise on the front pedestal with my project.  Bought one of
>>> those
>>> front hitch plates and put it on there.  I though this would make a good
>>> place to hook a chain without skinning up the paint when I haul it on a
>>> trailer.
>>>
>>> I think you're right about the acorn nut definition.  I was picking up 
>>> on
>>> what I see used when these are sold on eBay.
>>>
>>> B²
>>>
>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>
>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-joh
ndeere-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Dean VP
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:00 AM
>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>> Bill:
>>>
>>> An interesting question and the answer I think is very tractor model
>>> dependent. For example, I looked at the H rear axle housing in the Parts
>>> Catalog. It shows that three hex nuts and studs were used on each axle
>>> housing, but only only on the rear and their position is detailed. None
>>> are
>>> shown on the front of the axle housing in the PC illustration.
>>>
>>> My guess is that "how many were used" could be figured out from each 
>>> Parts
>>> Catalog.  Now as far as the H front ones go, as I recall the top two on 
>>> my
>>> two H's had 5/8" cap screws in them and the bottom two had the same hex
>>> nuts
>>> and studs. The Parts Catalog illustration verifies that. However, I am
>>> unable to physically and quickly go look at them since they are at 
>>> another
>>> location.
>>>
>>> I don't know if they were added at the factory or at the dealer but my
>>> guess
>>> would be they were installed at the factory.
>>>
>>> Have you noticed that there is a US seller selling new reproduction hex
>>> nuts
>>> on eBay?  $2.00 ea.  Over the years I have gathered up several whenever 
>>> I
>>> found used ones at swap meets etc, and would buy them if I could get 
>>> them
>>> for less than $2.00 each.  JD's price for new ones used to be something
>>> like
>>> $7 to $9.00 a piece. Now I just noticed they are $3.20 ea.  Wow, one of
>>> JD's
>>> part numbers went down in cost. What is the world coming too? I wonder 
>>> if
>>> they still look like the originals.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen these new eBay reproduction versions so I don't know how
>>> well
>>> they emulate the original but I do know there are at least two different
>>> versions of the hex nuts. I suspect the part number didn't change when 
>>> the
>>> physical dimensions of the hex nut changed.
>>>
>>> Your nomenclature, calling these nuts, Acorn nuts is quite common and I
>>> have
>>> seen this term used quite often. However, I have always thought acorn 
>>> nuts
>>> were rounded on top and enclosed such as those used on many, but not 
>>> all,
>>> of
>>> the tappet covers on the two cylinder tractors. JD, in their Parts
>>> Catalogs,
>>> calls them (Special) Hex Nuts. So much for trivia!  :-)
>>>
>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>
>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-joh
ndeere-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Bill Brueck
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:26 AM
>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>> Subject: RE: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>> Good source, I will be giving them a call.
>>>
>>> When these tractors came off the line, were the studs and acorn nuts in
>>> place on the axels or where they delivered in a bag or in the tool box 
>>> or
>>> something?  If in place, was there a consistent pattern of how many and
>>> which holes?  How about the font pedestal holes as well?
>>>
>>> For restoration I'd kind of like to just leave them off, they are just
>>> places for people to get bruised and for clothing to catch.
>>>
>>> B²
>>>
>>> Bill Brueck (brick)
>>> Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>
>>> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>
[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-joh
ndeere-
> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> wwwayne johnson
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:36 PM
>>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>> Subject: [AJD] corks
>>>
>>> For those of you that want to plug up your bolt holes as JD did, 
>>> American
>>> Science and Surplus, Ph 888-724-7587has a package 20 for $2.00 PN 23594.
>>> 9/16 bottom. 11/16 top, 7/8 long.
>>> Merle Wayne
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