[AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Sun Jan 8 06:53:43 PST 2006

Dean: You may have bought the Production Registers on sale for $9 to $10, 
but If I remember right, I gave $25 to $30 each or more for mine when I 
order them when they were published.

Bruce Mahr

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

> Jim:
>
> Thanks.  I wasn't aware of any direct correlation (relationship) between
> serial numbers on Power Lifts vs Tractors other than I have made an
> assumption that the power lift serial numbers were issued sequentially and
> that they were installed on tractors as they came down the production 
> line.
> So I also have made an assumption that there is a first and last serial
> number and that someplace there may have been recorded what the first and
> last per model year were and maybe even by tractor model identification.
> Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
>
> In looking through the Unstyled G Production register it appears that the
> last Power Lift serial number was recorded on a 1939 G shipped in March of
> 1993 as serial # G 8385 as PL Ser # 2819. But there were much higher PL 
> ser
> #'s shipped on earlier G tractors such as 4406 but in general the highest 
> PL
> ser number shipped with unstyled G's was in the low 3000's. Looks like 
> there
> Power Lifts got pretty mixed up within about a range of 200 to 300 serial
> numbers.
>
> Now relative to the unstyled B production register:   It appears the 
> highest
> serial # PL recorded was 40385 but it was shipped much earlier than the 
> end
> of production of the unstyled B's. Lowest PL ser # I have found is B138. 
> The
> B prefix appears to have been randomly dropped in early 1935.
>
> I'm not aware that an unstyled A production register has been published by
> Two Cylinder Magazine. Although I assume, they do have the data to do so.
>
> So what is the bottom line of all this? If for example you have a missing
> serial # tag on an unstyled B or G but it has a Power Lift with readable
> serial number tag, there is a possibility you might be able to identify 
> what
> the tractor serial number might have been. Assuming the PL hasn't been
> changed or added after factory shipping. Kind of shaky grounds but better
> than nothing I guess.
>
> As far as PL ser # ranges to correlate with tractor serial number ranges, 
> it
> appears one may only be able to get within a couple 100 serial #'s or so 
> at
> best. Not very helpful.
>
> Hopefully someone on the list can add more clarity to this than what I 
> have
> been able to uncover. I would describe the above data as having ones feet
> firmly planted in mid air.
>
> I am still very confused as to why the Production Registers published by 
> Two
> Cylinder Magazine didn't sell well enough for them to publish more. As I
> recall, I paid something like $9.00 to $10.00 each for mine when they had 
> a
> sale on them a few years ago. I would buy any additional ones published in 
> a
> heartbeat. There is a wealth of knowledge in them with value way past 
> their
> purchase cost.  Some things don't compute in this area. Was it a marketing
> issue? Or is the production cost so high that there is an unreasonable
> breakeven quantity? Got me!
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Showers
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
> I believe the book on the unstyled A mentions them.  My 1936 A had one and
> the serial # of the power lift in no way corresponded with the tractor
> number.  The earlier power lifts were numbered, but the later ones were 
> not.
> I just thought to add to the confusion.
> Jim Showers
>
> --- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> To: "AT JD" <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:10 AM
> Subject: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
>
>> Is there some published reference anywhere that lists the power lift
>> serial
>> numbers vs what tractor model and serial number they were used on? Or 
>> some
>> range or some reference of any kind to get a general correlation.  Now I
>> know these could be added or removed at the dealer and changed by owners
>> so
>> the records probably can be used as ball park only but....
>>
>> I seem to recall that JD recorded the power lift serial numbers in some 
>> of
>> the production records for the earlier unstyled tractors. I have the
>> unstyled B registry maybe something can be gleaned from that. But what
>> about
>> the A's and G's, etc?
>>
>> My guess is someone with hopefully an ANAL personality has done some kind
>> of
>> research into this.
>>
>> Why am I asking?  I just ran into a reference where a "B" power (PTO)
>> shaft
>> part number "where/when used" information was not tied to the tractor
>> serial
>> number but to the Power Lift Serial number.  That is something I hadn't
>> run
>> into before on power shafts.
>>
>> And yes, I can get the serial number off of the Power Lifts I have on my
>> tractors but is there some general reference document that provides more
>> encompassing info in this area?
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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